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I was encouraged by the presser today... seems like good depth at Safety... seems like we could potentially get the 2nd or 3rd best safety in the class with our 2nd round pick...

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Originally Posted by GOSKN5

I was encouraged by the presser today... seems like good depth at Safety... seems like we could potentially get the 2nd or 3rd best safety in the class with our 2nd round pick...

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Just a thought. It might be wise to get our S in the 3rd round since there is so much depth. I will be changing my wishlist.

How far will Alec Ogletree's stock fall with the DUI right before the combine?

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Originally Posted by MR2Drift

How far will Alec Ogletree's stock fall with the DUI right before the combine?

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Probably goes late 1st to mid 2nd. Before this I would have said top 20 more than likely

Thoughts on where Jonathan Cyprien, S, Florida International might get drafted? I'm hoping he MIGHT be there in the 3rd round.

I dont think Cyprien will be there in round 3... I like him with our 2nd round pick at least thats what I have seen with a few mocks... I did see him into the 3rd in one mock, but early 3rd...

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Originally Posted by GOSKN5

I dont think Cyprien will be there in round 3... I like him with our 2nd round pick at least thats what I have seen with a few mocks... I did see him into the 3rd in one mock, but early 3rd...

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Yes, alot of mocks have him listed in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

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Originally Posted by RWJ

Thoughts on where Jonathan Cyprien, S, Florida International might get drafted? I'm hoping he MIGHT be there in the 3rd round.

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He was originally slated to go 3rd-5th, not because of his on field play but because of lack of exposure. He got invited to the senior bowl and tore it up and now he has made a huge leap and is expected to go in the 2nd round, with an outside chance of going in the 1st.

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Originally Posted by Skinsinparadise

He gets defined a lot by draft geeks as a free safety which he played a lot in college...

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Well those people would be wrong. He actually was a SS. And maybe I could be called a draft geek :ols:

He was lined up strong-side, sometimes covering a Slot or just creeping slowly into the Front-7 box, set-up for run support the majority of the time. More than often he was rolled up, closer to the LOS, than farther away, in general.

Did he roll back to deep middle after a coverage disguise? - Yea. Did he split the field in Cover 2? - Yea.

But his position at SC was SS. Though at times their scheme would interchange the safeties based upon what looks the offense would give, which side of the field they went unbalanced. At the very least it was easily identifiable that Swearinger was SS based on pre-snap alignment alone.

Now it's different if someone wanted to say that they think he could play predominate deep middle Cover 1 & Cover 3 type Free Safety. Perhaps what they mean to say is that they see in him certain physical skills that could molded into FS. That's still a gamble because it's a deviation from role. We can all see what his compelling traits are, it's his physical play, his read / react and ability to run full speed at a certain angle to hand out a blow or make a tackle.

But his strengths don't cater to a straight dropback kind of coverage guy. You want him around the LOS. He works much better with stuff in-front where he can read and charge with full speed. Sometimes at certain angles, from Cover 2, he can shoot to the sidelines pretty well.

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Originally Posted by Monk4thaHALL

But his strengths don't cater to a straight dropback kind of coverage guy. You want him around the LOS. He works much better with stuff in-front where he can read and charge with full speed. Sometimes at certain angles, from Cover 2, he can shoot to the sidelines pretty well.

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Cool enough, which guys do you like best at free safety for us?

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Originally Posted by delmarvan

He was originally slated to go 3rd-5th, not because of his on field play but because of lack of exposure. He got invited to the senior bowl and tore it up and now he has made a huge leap and is expected to go in the 2nd round, with an outside chance of going in the 1st.

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True. He is rising up draft boards. Will have to again update my wishlist.

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Duke Williams should be there in the 3rd round.

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Originally Posted by delmarvan

He was originally slated to go 3rd-5th, not because of his on field play but because of lack of exposure. He got invited to the senior bowl and tore it up and now he has made a huge leap and is expected to go in the 2nd round, with an outside chance of going in the 1st.

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I've actually seen him in the first in a couple of mocks, one of those was on NFL.com. I'd say om the aggregate though he's most often these days in the 2nd.

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Originally Posted by Monk4thaHALL

Well those people would be wrong. He actually was a SS. And maybe I could be called a draft geek :ols:

He was lined up strong-side, sometimes covering a Slot or just creeping slowly into the Front-7 box, set-up for run support the majority of the time. More than often he was rolled up, closer to the LOS, than farther away, in general.

Did he roll back to deep middle after a coverage disguise? - Yea. Did he split the field in Cover 2? - Yea.

But his position at SC was SS. Though at times their scheme would interchange the safeties based upon what looks the offense would give, which side of the field they went unbalanced. At the very least it was easily identifiable that Swearinger was SS based on pre-snap alignment alone.

Now it's different if someone wanted to say that they think he could play predominate deep middle Cover 1 & Cover 3 type Free Safety. Perhaps what they mean to say is that they see in him certain physical skills that could molded into FS. That's still a gamble because it's a deviation from role. We can all see what his compelling traits are, it's his physical play, his read / react and ability to run full speed at a certain angle to hand out a blow or make a tackle.

But his strengths don't cater to a straight dropback kind of coverage guy. You want him around the LOS. He works much better with stuff in-front where he can read and charge with full speed. Sometimes at certain angles, from Cover 2, he can shoot to the sidelines pretty well.

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Originally Posted by darrelgreenie

..... NFL.com http://m.nfl.com/draft/profile/2539943/dj-swearinger/ actually game me some insight that has changed my view on Swearinger a little.

Like any S prospect that doesn't play FS (many snaps at deep half or center field FS) I graded him down. And in DJ's case he played more like a 'big' nickel CB.

But, according to their profile Swearinger was only playing CB this year because of injuries. In his previous seasons he played both SS and FS.

His measured height and 40 time (again) and movement scores ae going to be huge for him.

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Don't know enough about Earl Wolff to comment. But, I like Rashard Hall more then the rest of the draftnik community. Hall has good size 6'1--210 and actually plays Center Field FS in away that translates to the NFL and to our scheme. Again, his 40 time will be crucial but imo if we draft him in round 3 or 4 he gives Maddie Williams a strong run for the starting FS spot as a rookie. (But then again imo most of the good S prospects have a chance to beat Maddie Williams out for the starting spot)

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Monk, I used to think this same thing and I expressed that early in this thread. The limited film out there (I haven't found many actual game cut-ups of Swearinger) has him playing in the in the box SS, money or big nickel CB. With a handful of snaps at center field. But, reading his draft profile actually cleared up a lot.

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Originally Posted by RWJ

Thoughts on where Jonathan Cyprien, S, Florida International might get drafted? I'm hoping he MIGHT be there in the 3rd round.

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I liked him. Dukes posted links to his cut-ups and I watched them and broke them down. If I turn a deaf ear to the recent hype surrounding him post senior bowl and trust my opinions from watching him in the cut-ups he seemed like a 3rd round SS/FS prospect to me. Not tallest guy out there but is a gym rat. Moves well, although not the most fluid guy out there. Loves to hit. Can play 1/2 field Cover 2 FS maybe can make the transition to playing centerfield FS, but seems a bit stiff for that role imho.

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Originally Posted by RWJ

Thoughts on where Jonathan Cyprien, S, Florida International might get drafted? I'm hoping he MIGHT be there in the 3rd round.

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I wouldnt be surprised to see Cyprien go late 1st

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Originally Posted by Dukes and Skins

I wouldnt be surprised to see Cyprien go late 1st

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Yes, I looked at other info and it shows him FLYING up the boards. I re-did my wishlist.have Crypien as our S in the 2nd and Will Allen as our CBin the 3rd.

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Originally Posted by darrelgreenie

I liked him. Dukes posted links to his cut-ups and I watched them and broke them down. If I turn a deaf ear to the recent hype surrounding him post senior bowl and trust my opinions from watching him in the cut-ups he seemed like a 3rd round SS/FS prospect to me. Not tallest guy out there but is a gym rat. Moves well, although not the most fluid guy out there. Loves to hit. Can play 1/2 field Cover 2 FS maybe can make the transition to playing centerfield FS, but seems a bit stiff for that role imho.

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Thanks for the info, DG. I re-did my wishlist. Let me know what you think about the 2nd and 3rd round picks. Those are the only ones I changed.