Re: 2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database
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Skinsinparadise
He was a 6th rounder. I said 1st through the 5th round. It seems 6th and 7th rounders are often projects and guys that aren't always on the radar screen of the draft geeks. That's why you rarely hear the words "surprise" in terms of a guy taken in the 6th or 7th round. If its a surprise its in terms of a guy projected to go higher in the draft. Like when we took Selvish Capers. Capers was a 4th and 5th rounder in a lot of mocks. Obviously teams knew what they were doing by passing on him.
I was joking, because Morris was so out of left field, not actually correcting your post.
Those are the interesting cases to me, the guys that drop like rocks in the draft to the shock of all onlooking fans and draftniks. Most of the time it's injury (Polk) or character (Burfict--less of a surprise). Sometimes a combination of both. But it's always fun to watch, because you just never know.
For instance last year we got Minnifield as an UDFA and the Pats got Al Dennard in the 7th (one of those no-brainer picks of a talented guy with questionable character that is of course working out). Nobody could have seen that coming. I had Minnifield mocked to us in the 4th-5th and that was considered a huge fall, and I was ecstatic we got him after he fell all the way out of the draft.
All this is reminding me why I love watching the draft so much, and why I don't mind the three day format.
With how deep this WR class is, I guarantee there will be a couple of ridiculous values, guys that fall all the way to the 5th-6th who many had in their top-10 at the position because they're all so close and we can only know so much compared to teams.
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ConnSKINS26
With how deep this WR class is, I guarantee there will be a couple of ridiculous values, guys that fall all the way to the 5th-6th who many had in their top-10 at the position because they're all so close and we can only know so much compared to teams.
There's a lot of talented WRs but I think 5th-6th is a little too late to pick one that you want to make an impact. After guys like Wheaton, Williams, Dobson, and Patton in the second, I think there is a sizeable drop off. I do like Sanders though and it is possible
or him to he available in the fifth, but he's really only a slot imo.
I know people like Steadman Bailey, but I think he's overrated to be considered a second rounder. His run after catch and physical skillset is not enough imo. He is a very good reliable possession WR, but I think this team would be better served to add explosiveness.
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ConnSKINS26
I was joking, because Morris was so out of left field, not actually correcting your post.
Funny I was going to ask if you were joking but I figured I'd let it ride because if you weren't joking and I asked if you were, you might take it as an unintended shot.
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ConnSKINS26
For instance last year we got Minnifield as an UDFA and the Pats got Al Dennard in the 7th (one of those no-brainer picks of a talented guy with questionable character that is of course working out). Nobody could have seen that coming. I had Minnifield mocked to us in the 4th-5th and that was considered a huge fall, and I was ecstatic we got him after he fell all the way out of the draft.
Yeah I recall Minnifield as even a third rounder in some mocks.
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ConnSKINS26
With how deep this WR class is, I guarantee there will be a couple of ridiculous values, guys that fall all the way to the 5th-6th who many had in their top-10 at the position because they're all so close and we can only know so much compared to teams.
Agree and it plays off of a point I've been making on this thread. WR in particular tends to have guys that drop. Devin Thomas was a first rounder in most mocks. Hankerson was a high 2nd. Ruben Randle a high 2nd, etc. In various posts, people are saying Austin, Patton, T, Williams, Wheaton, etc aren't going to be there at our pick. But if this draft goes like they typically do, there will be one of those top guys available at our pick. A guy that in "theory" we don't expect to be there but will. And, yeah as to the 5th round yeah it wouldn't shock me to see Da Rick Rogers or Ryan Swope, etc.
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So after thinking long and hard about it, I finally put together a mock I like. I think these players have a pretty good chance of being around when we pick, and aren't pipe dreams.
2nd: John Cyprien - S - pretty self explanatory honestly.
3rd: Leon McFadden - CB - This pick is interesting, I was aiming for a CB here, and there are some guys who might be better who fall to the 3rd, but McFadden is likely to be here and would be decent value
4th: Ryan Swope - WR - He's been compared to Wes Welker a lot, and he'd probably excel in the slot as a numbers accumulator.
5th (#1): Quanterius Smith - OLB - Strikes me as a Shanny pick, for whatever reason. Kid was a beast, but got injured, so he's slated to go later, but I wouldn't mind scooping him up here.
5th (#2): Theo Riddick - RB - Converted WR, his top end speed isn't blazing, but he's a pass catching threat, something we sorely need.
6th: Tanner Hawkinson - OT - Mostly read that he's a developmental RT for the NFL, which is fine, that's what we'd be looking at in the 6th anyway.
7th: Steve Greer - ILB - Seems like a guy who might succeed at the next level, if he's here this later, he'd be great to groom.
For UDFAs, I'd like us to take a look at maybe Elvis Fisher and, if he doesn't get drafted, Mauti as well. Their injury history concerns me, but both look like NFL caliber players when healthy.
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from: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132070/jordan-mills
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Ravens beat writer Aaron Wilson is "hearing some good buzz" on Louisiana Tech T Jordan Mills.
Mills continues to generate top-100 talk after a solid Senior Bowl performance, shutting down many higher profile prospects form his right tackle spot. We suspect teams believe he can play three spots on the offensive line and consistently displays a hard-nosed, finishing attitude.
Feb 12 - 2:28 PM
Source: Aaron Wilson on Twitter
source: https://twitter.com/RavensInsider/st...07873156653056
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CBS Sports' Dane Brugler is hearing from NFL sources that Louisiana Tech T Jordan Mills might be a top-100 pick.
Mills was a late addition to the Senior Bowl and held his own from the start of the first practice. As a right tackle in college, Mills helped pave the way for a fairly balanced offense. NFL evaluators likely expect him to have the versatility to play three positions along the offensive line.
Feb 1 - 8:37 AM
Source: Dane Brugler on Twitter
source: https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status...46918931427331
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...n_mills_g.html
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Louisiana Tech's Jordan Mills gets nastier
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Originally Posted by Jordan Mills
"This is the world's greatest sport," Mills said. "It started with tough guys like Mike Ditka, Mean Joe Greene, Lawrence Taylor. I've watched their old games on NFL Network. They played the game with reckless abandon. You can't let nobody push you around. If they're going to be nasty, you've got to be even nastier.
"I can get with the nastiest. I can be the nastiest. It comes with the territory. If you want to get dirty and grimy with me, I'm going to get even dirtier and grimier. You've got to have that edge."
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"You get thrown in with the lions," Mills said. "You've got to work with what you have. Talking to the other offensive linemen and watching the plays and studying the playbook, I'm adapting quickly to everything that's going on."
Mills hails from Napoleonville, La., and said he tried to model his game on New Orleans Saints Hall of Fame offensive tackle Willie Roaf.
"The person I grew up watching from my hometown team is New Orleans' Willie Roaf," Mills said. "And he also played for Louisiana Tech. Watching him when I was little, seeing how he played the game.
When I got to Tech, my coach still put some film up on him of when he played for Tech so we could see he was one of the greatest players ever to play in the NFL. To watch the feet he had, the strength he had, it motivated him to be just like him."
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2) Menelik Watson RT,
3) Brandon Jenkins OLB,
4) Terry Hawthrone CB
5) Theo Riddick RB
5) Bradley McDougald FS
6) Brandon Kaufman WR,
7) Cooper Taylor SS,
7) Joe Vellano DE
Maybe we can also get Bruce Taylor in UDFA or Michael Mauti.
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I'd love the Watson pick except for two things:
1. I think he'll go before we pick.
2. I don't see us taking an OL in the 2nd unless he's the BPA by far, which I really don't see happening.
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ConnSKINS26
I'd love the Watson pick except for two things:
1. I think he'll go before we pick.
2. I don't see us taking an OL in the 2nd unless he's the BPA by far, which I really don't see happening.
I dont see us going RT either in round 2. If we take one it'll be a mid or late round pick again
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Dukes and Skins
I dont see us going RT either in round 2. If we take one it'll be a mid or late round pick again
I feel like the coaching staff is pretty high on Compton and thinks we can have success without a high draft pick addressing it. It's not Shanahan's MO. I would really like to grab Long though later in the draft. Where is he projected?
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Momma There Goes That Man
I feel like the coaching staff is pretty high on Compton and thinks we can have success without a high draft pick addressing it. It's not Shanahan's MO. I would really like to grab Long though later in the draft. Where is he projected?
I think Kyle Long goes in the top 3 rounds
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First of all haven´t had a lot of time this year to really track the pre-draft proces. So I rely on some mock sites and what I have seen durning the season. Normal I would go BPA, but kinda hard in a mock unless you are projecting every pick.;)
Our needs: Safety, Corner, TE (if sleepy doesn't resign), OT, WR (slot), NT, Depth at LB.
2 round:
There will be WR's. A lot of interesting WR's and where they will go really depends on there workouts the next month. And I could see some drop to us. But at the end I think we will go for the plug and play safety, who will start from day 1.
If Elam is there, no brainer. He won't so then I would focus on Cyprien and Thomas (Phillip, Fresno). I really like Cyprien, only I believe Cyprien is a STRONG safety who is limited in coverage. I think we need more of a safety who can play center field and in that case Phillip Thomas is a better fit. At the senior bowl practise he just looked great in droppingback and he has some good INT numbers, so he must be doing something well (in the mountain west, what is pretty much pass happy).
With pick 51, the Washington Redskins select: Phillip Thomas, FS, Fresno State.
3 round.
I love the third round, this is where you need to choose between the less talented player, physical wise, and the super athletic people but who didn't show it on the field or have issues.
We just picked up Thomas but I'm still looking at Rambo. I think he would fill the SS spot really nice. He is a good hitter, solid in coverage and has really good feel for the game. Only people will kill me if I pick two safety's after each other.
There might be a corner worth taking but I will go out of the box and pick up, Gavin Escobar. He is a hybrid TE. Saw some clips on youtube of this guy and I like it a lot. We like to move people around and also move Griffing around with boothlegs, playaction, etc. What I see then is that a Logan Paulsen get's free pretty easy but there it kinda stops. He catches and thats it. I think the Escobar can catch and then get more YAC. Do more with the ball in his hands. The TE looks to get open a lot in this scheme, so I like to add this guy as a upgrated weapon over the current TE's.
Jordan Reed could be an other option but I think his blocking skills are just not good enough for our off.
With pick 85, the Washington Redskins select: Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego St.
4 round:
This is getting hard to project because all draftboards and mocks show different players here.
I think Xavier Nixon could be solid pick here. (yes I'm a Gators fan, how did you notice that ;)) He will be a good RT i.m.o. He has all the tools. Not the most athletic player but I think he can do it all.
With pick 116, the Washington Redskins select: Xavier Nixon, OT, Florida.
5 round:
I want to take a shot at I player I think has a lot of talent but also lacks some technique.Tharold Simon. Long and plays very physical only he has some serious backpedel issues. I would want to work on that with him. He has a lot of natural talent, now he needs to put some serious effort in maximizing that by practising day in and day out his backpeddel and c.o.d. Don't think he will see the field a lot in year one, but he is talented.
With pick 147, the Washington Redskins select: Tharold Simon, CB, LSU.
Our second 5th rounder.
I took a hard long look at Brad Wing. A punter! Only he had a little down season this year and when doing some research on him I question if he is ready to enter the grown up world :silly:.
It looks like this guy is still in full college party mode. Nothing wrong with that, only I want our punter to be 100% pro. Don't underestimate the punter position, takes hard work. So I passed on that idea.
And went for Travis Johnson from San Jose St. This guy sounds like a less talented version of Ryan Kerrigan. He has been very productive with his hand in the ground, smart guy, very hard worker (not my opinion, that's what the draft world says). I think he can bring solid depth.
With pick 157, the Washington Redskins select: Travis Johnson, DE/OLB, San Jose St.
6 round:
When scrolling threw the 6th round players I saw the name Josh Boyd come up. I remember him. He showed some flashes at DT. Maby he looked good because of Fletcher Cox, who is a beast, but I want to find that out on my own. Let's just draft him and see how he works out at DE in our scheme.
With pick 179, the Washington Redskins select: Josh Boyd, DT, Miss St.
7 round:
I would take Marquess Wilson but I have this feeling that someone might take a shot at him at a higher round after his workouts. Because he has a interesting skills set. He is talented.
Then I found out about Jasper Collins. Yes, ofcours we have seen this guy dominate at Mount union :ols:. Okey nobody saw this man play football but he sounds very interesting. He doesn't have elite speed but he had quickness and good route running. He might be able to develop in a good slot WR. And which NFL team can say they have two Mount Union WR's on the field? No-one. Ready for division III WR domination! XD
With pick 212, the Washington Redskins select: Jasper Collins, WR, Mount Union.
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Dukes and Skins
I dont see us going RT either in round 2. If we take one it'll be a mid or late round pick again
I would think that with this draft being "loaded" with skill position and in demand position players, there should be some starting quality RT's available in the 3rd or maybe even early 4th.
Thoughts?
Personally I look for shanny to go OT in 3 or 4 (assuming they don't sign one in FA)
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There's no chance Tavon Austin could fall to #51 is there?
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martytheman
I would think that with this draft being "loaded" with skill position and in demand position players, there should be some starting quality RT's available in the 3rd or maybe even early 4th.
Thoughts?
Personally I look for shanny to go OT in 3 or 4 (assuming they don't sign one in FA)
I do believe that there will be quality OT's in those rounds. A guy like Xavier Nixon would be a good fit
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Rypien1191
There's no chance Tavon Austin could fall to #51 is there?
If you buy the current mocks, he's going late first, early 2nd. But you never know, on draft day WRs tend to fall lower than expected. I'd guess Austin is less likely to fall though for the reason that his style is so unique -- as you know, Percy Harvin style you can use him to catch the ball, run the ball, gadget plays, etc. I'd love him in this offense especially with the triple option.
