I think some of you fail to remember just how bad that 2009 roster was. The Redskins were essentially an expansion team in 2010, there was little if any talent on both sides of the ball.
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I think some of you fail to remember just how bad that 2009 roster was. The Redskins were essentially an expansion team in 2010, there was little if any talent on both sides of the ball.
Davis and Orakpo may not come back from surgery to full strength. Garcon may need surgery on the ligament damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by H-O-G
I'm trying to be more realistic than we have been in the past in compiling this list.
I make this point often... Furthermore, i really don't think the issues with the team this year has ALL to do with talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss_Hogg
I agree with this. You also need to look at it as, "who would want to play for the Redskins in 2010-2011?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldfan
1. 2010 was probably the worst free agency class in the history of the league. All of the franchise tenders made that year a debacle. I think by bringing in McNabb, Shanny was trying to make DC more attractive as a destination for players. He knew JCam wouldn't get it done and he also knew we couldn't trade up to get Bradford. That said, it didn't work.
2. 2011 was similar, but there was a little bit more out there, but the concentrated offseason due to the lockout made it difficult.
3. 2012, we trade up for the #2 pick and we get Garcon and Morgan right off the bat (granted, we did slightly overpay for Garcon in my opinion, especially since he can't get on the field now). We would've had more had the cap penalty not bit us in the ass. But as you said, now that we have a Quarterback who has shown he is legit, we may get a break from people who may want to come play for RG3 as opposed to overpaying them to come here.
So, we'll have to see how the guys on IR this year pan out, hopefully Neild comes back healthy, we can get Tanard Jackson eligible, and we can draft a couple of DBs and linemen who can produce and provide depth next year and we'll be right there to fight for the division in my opinion. With most of our squad on the right side of 30.
I think you are exaggerating, but it doesn't matter. The group found four core players off the 2009 roster. We are only counting core players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss_Hogg
Can you really count Cooley as a core player. I mean, he didn't even make the team this season (three years from 2009). So can't you retroactively remove him and say it was three?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldfan
Cofield and Bowen did because we paid them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DC9
True.Quote:
2011 was similar, but there was a little bit more out there, but the concentrated offseason due to the lockout made it difficult.
True.Quote:
2012, we trade up for the #2 pick and we get Garcon and Morgan right off the bat (granted, we did slightly overpay for Garcon in my opinion, especially since he can't get on the field now). We would've had more had the cap penalty not bit us in the ass. But as you said, now that we have a Quarterback who has shown he is legit, we may get a break from people who may want to come play for RG3 as opposed to overpaying them to come here.
We can always hope for the best.Quote:
So, we'll have to see how the guys on IR this year pan out, hopefully Neild comes back healthy, we can get Tanard Jackson eligible, and we can draft a couple of DBs and linemen who can produce and provide depth next year and we'll be right there to fight for the division in my opinion. With most of our squad on the right side of 30.
Just my point. You can't build a 53 man roster and only dress 46 on game day with a core of four guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldfan
You just saved me a bit of typing, agree 100%. You can't say people aren't "core" players just because they are currently injured. When healthy, Orakpo and Garcon are definitely core playersQuote:
Originally Posted by Henry
No. What we are doing is trying to compare our group's assessment at the time with our assessment now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DC9
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If we are trying to be realistic, we can't assume that players off surgeries will return to full strength. Garcon's toe is as important to him as it was for Antonio Gates.Quote:
Originally Posted by kearney
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If we are trying to be realistic, we can't assume that players off surgeries will return to full strength. Garcon's toe is as important to him as it was for Antonio Gates.Quote:
Originally Posted by kearney
Cofield and Bowen were NOT Redskins in 2010-11. They were signed in 2011-12 and are currently in their 2nd year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldfan
You must be defining core player differently than I did in the OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss_Hogg
I think we lack talent at safety in conjunction with poor execution and poor defensive play-calling. that makes for a perfect storm of crappy pass-defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by authentic
OF, I get why you are leaving injured players off. I figured it was something like that and that's fine. However, it's tough to blame Shanahan and Allen for players without a history of season-ending injuries suffering season-ending injuries. Those players were counted on to be core players, and they may be again. Perhaps we could add a 'maybe' category to further flesh out your anaylsis?
Chris Samuels had similar surgery, rehabbed, then came back and tore another muscle -- maybe trying to compensate.Quote:
Originally Posted by orlskinsfan