Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
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Lombardi's_kid_brother
I wouldn't mind bringing back Marty and his audible.
Christ, how old is Marty now?
He's a youthful 69.
2011 UFL World Champion and Coach of the Year!
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
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Brotherz
I get it (believe me I get it) - I am beyond frustrated at this team and watching the freakin colts makes my blood boil. BUT, while it isn't an excuse there really has been some serious issues for this regime to deal with since they got here IN ADDITION to the oldest roster on the planet, ridiculous backloaded contracts/cap hell etc:
1) The lockout - Free agency was seriously restricted during this time remember?
2) Lack of draft picks - its hard to replace all that dead weight without them.
3) The cap penalties - REALLY tough and the timing of them was absolutely inexcusable from the league. Not an excuse but damn that really really hurt.
I think the impact of Number 3 is far more than anyone is acknowledging. You have 2 ways to improve your team in the offseason...Draft and Free Agency. They are not, and should not, be treated independently of each other. You develop the needs of the team and then a strategy for acquiring them. We executed the draft with the expectation of having the money to fill other needs with free agency. Even once the penalty was determined I think they changed the way the 36 million would be enforced. It really was a class A ****ing by the league
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
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Redskins Diehard
I think the impact of Number 3 is far more than anyone is acknowledging. You have 2 ways to improve your team in the offseason...Draft and Free Agency. They are not, and should not, be treated independently of each other. You develop the needs of the team and then a strategy for acquiring them. We executed the draft with the expectation of having the money to fill other needs with free agency. Even once the penalty was determined I think they changed the way the 36 million would be enforced. It really was a class A ****ing by the league
Absolutely and only people like Chad Dukes could be so superficial about it that he could say something like "well that happened on Shanny's watch". Shannahan did EXACTLY what he should have done. There were a ton of down-sides to the uncapped year - we already discussed them. There was ONE advantage and it absolutely benefitted the teams that were mismanaged prior to the uncapped year. But so what? Then don't have an uncapped year. That was bargained for. Essentially Mara and company decided it was uncapped for those who couldn't benefit ALOT from it. Its the most absurd thing i have ever heard and honestly I don't think anyone can be intellectually honest and defend that penalty.
Now all I hear is "and we have no draft picks and we have no cap space" - as if Shanny made the RG3 trade AFTER the cap penalty came down! Not the case! He traded the draft picks obviously with a plan to use the plentiful cap space we had (we had a ton!!) to fix the back end and probably add some Offensive line depth. The penalty sentenced us to Polumbus, Tashard Jackson, Brandon Merriweather, Dhall, Joshn Wilson and Cedric Griffin. If you had to write down the positions that are costing us the most right now what would you write?
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
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Originally Posted by
Brotherz
Absolutely and only people like Chad Dukes could be so superficial about it that he could say something like "well that happened on Shanny's watch". Shannahan did EXACTLY what he should have done. There were a ton of down-sides to the uncapped year - we already discussed them. There was ONE advantage and it absolutely benefitted the teams that were mismanaged prior to the uncapped year. But so what? Then don't have an uncapped year. That was bargained for. Essentially Mara and company decided it was uncapped for those who couldn't benefit ALOT from it. Its the most absurd thing i have ever heard and honestly I don't think anyone can be intellectually honest and defend that penalty.
Now all I hear is "and we have no draft picks and we have no cap space" - as if Shanny made the RG3 trade AFTER the cap penalty came down! Not the case! He traded the draft picks obviously with a plan to use the plentiful cap space we had (we had a ton!!) to fix the back end and probably add some Offensive line depth. The penalty sentenced us to Polumbus, Tashard Jackson, Brandon Merriweather, Dhall, Joshn Wilson and Cedric Griffin. If you had to write down the positions that are costing us the most right now what would you write?
I would say that we have at least 3 different starters in the secondary. And at least one different WR. But you can assume that 18 million is 4 top notch starters. Or maybe 2 and some better depth. The Polumbus thing is more attributed to injury...but who knows...they may have targeted RT also. Honestly if you count the people we have lost to injury and the opportunities we lost because of the penalty you are talking 8-10 starters missing. And we get hit with it again next year also.
The afternoon on 106.7 is so bad...I don't know how anyone even listens to it
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
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Enter Apotheosis
Those are all reasons why we have Shanahan now, sans the super-expensive thing which is completely irrelevant.
One of the things that worried me when we brought in shanny was that no super bowl winning head coach has won it all with their next team.
Quite frankly i dont think a new regime is the answer. But if shanny is walked, which if he did in fact lose the locker room then he should get shown the door, then i wouldnt be too upset with andy reid taking over.
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
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Brotherz
Absolutely and only people like Chad Dukes could be so superficial about it that he could say something like "well that happened on Shanny's watch". Shannahan did EXACTLY what he should have done. There were a ton of down-sides to the uncapped year - we already discussed them. There was ONE advantage and it absolutely benefitted the teams that were mismanaged prior to the uncapped year. But so what? Then don't have an uncapped year. That was bargained for.
Well said ... I am quoting because i want to highlight the point - I also wanted to add the reason why the uncapped season was scheduled in was to act as a poison pill before the two sides got to the lockout stage ... it was supposed to be bad for players as uncapped meant no salary floor (as more than 9 teams demonstrated) and bad for teams as there would be no regulation on players upper salaries and so wages for stars would skyrocket and teams with big $$ incomes would be able to establish a competitive edge which would take away parity which made the NFL compelling .....
Thats why it was there - everyone knew that was going to happen - but the owners insulated themselves by colluding they would not go crazy on salaries, except JJ and DS saw it as a way to clean up some cap issues and- sure get a competitive edge -(a little like Tampa did by paying peanuts in the capless season and so having buckets of $$$ in cap space to go into the biggest FA period in years and clean up .. )
We started planning for this years free agency a long liong time ago...
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
The top name...SEAN PAYTON
John Gruden is #2.
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
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Originally Posted by
Lombardi's_kid_brother
I wouldn't mind bringing back Marty and his audible.
Christ, how old is Marty now?
Yeah that'd be awesome. And to top it off Norv could be his OC and Mike Nolan his DC.
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
Chris Peterson - head coach of Boise State. Record is something insane like 88 to 5. Offensive genius to go with our new superstar. Guy has success written all over him.
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
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Enter Apotheosis
The 49ers are a case we could never hope to match. They had years of bad coaching and high draft picks that provided them with a very strong group of core players before Harbaugh even entered the picture. We had years of mediocrity and trading away picks prior to Shanahan.
Minnesota is not a very good team. They are in the midst of falling apart and will struggle to make 8-8 even after their 5-2 start. Their defense was overrated to start the season and Ponder isn't quite there yet as a QB (he turned the ball over twice in their first four games and 9 times in their last five).
I don't know how the Colts are 5-3. I've watched a few of their games and they were not very impressive team in any of them (least of all in the Packers game they had no business winning). They have a worse offensive line, worse running game, and their QB is responsible both for more turnovers and less TDs than ours. The only difference I can see is that their defense is merely bad, not historically bad and their schedule has been significantly easier. Both teams have played and beat the Vikings... we did it in more impressive fashion.
The fans may deserve better than this (based on what I've seen of this fanbase, I'm not entirely sure about that) but you have to be very careful about what you wish for. Things can actually get much worse than this and it can happen even quicker than the quick turnaround you're asking for.
Prior to Harbaugh, the Niners last playoff appearance was 2002 roughly nine years before their last playoff appearance. No one thought two cents of the Niners last year when Harbaugh took over especially with Alex Smith at quarterback and no off season. Some of Mike Singletary picks were ridiculed but Harbaugh and the new Gm made some tweeks and whala a contender. What about Miami, who people thought they would be a laughing stock this year. You did not comment on Seattle.
Minnesota is 5 and 4 and have over achieved and that can be attributed to coaching. Qb play in Minnesota is suspect and so some would say the Vikings are a qb away. What about the Bucs at 4 and 4, a team with a rookie coach and have some identity. The Bucs that plays for sixty minutes and will still hit a team in a kneel down. All these teams I have name have made progress. Have the Skins made progress? A secondary and for that matter a defense on record to break the most yards allowed in a season in nfl history, an offense that cannot convert on third downs or for that matter a defense that cannot get off the field on third downs. No wide receiver on record for reaching a 1000 yard receiving for the year.
Three bright spots on offense with RG3, Morris, and offensive line play but what much more can this team hang their hat especially when I am naming teams that have made progress within a three year span? Time enough for Mike to turn this roster over into the players Mike wants and needs but here the Skins go again with a season less than 9 wins. Even Gibbs showed some progress in less than 3 years and actually made the playoffs two out of the four years.
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
We should think outside the box for a change... maybe a Ray Horton DC from Arizona, by the way he was on the Redskin staff before. Take a look at Gus Bradley DC from Seattle....we know how nasty that defense is. I would look at both of these guys for Head Coach, I know they are both DC, just bring in the right OC to mentor RGIII. Don't think it will happen though cuz Shanny will still be around.
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
Not sure about HC, but Charlie Weis or Rob Chudzinski as OC, and Rex Ryan as DC.
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
Zombie Vince Lombardi for HC
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
I'm willing to wait the 5 years on Shanallen, I mean it's been 21 or so years. I'd say fire Haislett, higher Spanos as DC and if the next 2 yrs O still looks good and D improves with Spanos then keep it like that. If it is still not great then whichever looks better at the time either Kyle HC lou DC or Lou HC with Kyle OC.
To me our O is the best I've seen in a long long time and the D the worst.
Re: IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?
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big#44
I think its still way to early to call for Mikes head, but since we're playing....
I'd prefer a defensive minded coach and a quality O coordinator. We have a star QB and a workhorse RB to anchor the offense. We need a Head Coach who takes personal pride in the defense.
Disagree. Since we have a young talented QB, a franchise player, we need somebody who is offensive minded.
