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I see why ya think that, let me explain:Quote:
Originally Posted by pjfootballer
What Im saying is that I believe he is legit, but there is a doubt in the back of my mind that the only reason hes legit is because of the offense hes currently running. Hency why I said about the doubt in the back of my mind. Once he runs a real pro style offense, Ill feel a lot better.
With the bye week on us and division games after that, I think we install some new offensive sets. Similar to the way we set up the zone read against the Bucs after running the option against the Bengals. With 5 division games in the next 7 weeks (and 3 straight), we were probably just running the same old option plays to not give Philly, Dallas, and New York a good read on what we'll be doing. We're not out of this yet, and to win 5 or 6 of the last 7 (if not all of them) would be a very satisfying way to end the year, even if we don't make the playoffs.
I was with you on some of what you said until the part about wanting Andy R. as our coach. I would not even want him for our def coordinator. And I am not trying to be a jerk but some of the things you say you don't understand are going to be hard to understand unless you are standing in Kyle or Mike's shows and have access to the info they have. I think Alfred Morris hurt his shoulder and that may have something to do with running less. Mike said in a interview that they chose not to run that up the middle because they felt they had done it several times and the panthers would have seen that on tape and be ready for it, so they tried it to the outside. Not even saying I agree with the call but I understand thg logic. I hope we keep our staff and some continuity going forward. Nice discussion thoouh. Hail!!!
I figured Alfred was a little hurt, but if he was hurt why did he keep coming back in here and there? If the kids injured then he shouldnt play. Im not one to hate on coaching, they are in a lot tougher spots then any of us. And I love Kyle, well... loved. His playcalling the past two weeks has been abyssmal. I dont know why we are trying such gimmicky things, but whatever. As for the Reid hate: Yes Andy Reid has had problems with clock management, abandoning the run at times, and making questionable decisions, but what coach hasnt? I love the fact that the Eagles offense has been incredible the past decade. I love how his players would die for him, and I think the guys a genius when it comes to QBs. Say what you will about Reid, but if we had him the past 15 years, we would be winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoPro
Also, by the way, I say we keep Bruce. I thought hes been great at GM.
Ok. But it just sounded a little hypocritical the way it was written.Quote:
Originally Posted by redskins4ever28
---------- Post added November-7th-2012 at 03:34 PM ----------
This is what infuriates me. These modern coaches try to either out-guess themselves or over-guess themselves instead of sticking with your strengths. Like Oldfan said in another thread, the Green Bay Packers of the 60s drilled the GB sweep so many times, they were machine like. Everyone knew it was coming and they still couldn't stop it. Dallass used to run the lead draw to Emmitt with Johnston lead blocking. Everyone knew they ran it, but couldn't stop it. Alfred has been running between the tackles like an ace all year, yet time and time again, I see Kyle or Mike trying to run him wide. Why? Nobody has stopped Morris all year. Stop trying to get too fancy or second guess yourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoPro
Yeah, it is easy to sit behind a keyboard and call a player who isn't play due to torn ligaments in the foot a wimp.Quote:
Originally Posted by redskins4ever28
Man, its so funny when people say this. You can say what you want, Im entitled to my opinion. I figured Id get flamed for that comment, but in all honesty? I feel its true. There are some people in this league that are tough guys, and some that are weak. Plain and simple. How many times did Portis not practice because of :an injury"? Please. He was on the injury report every week. So many players in this league have what analysts call "the injury bug." Its BS. Theres no injury bug, theres guys that are tough, and guys that arent. Of course some injuries are real, but for the guys who hold out on a small injury for 6 weeks, its because they are wimps. Darren Mcfadden, Javon Kearse, Portis, Landry, guys like that are honestly just trying to NOT play or just milking the injury for all its worth. Im sorry man but London Fletcher is playing game after game regardless of how bad hes hurt, your telling em Garcon cant play? Give me a break. The only exception Ill give to the "injury bugged player" is Stafford and Chad Pennington because they really had an injury bug, when you have 3 season ending injuries, obviously its serious. But all other "injury prone players" are usually just stupid little sprained ankles or turf toes and they milk it for weeks. Its a joke. Yea, Im at a keyboard, yea I dont play football, but theres Brett Favre/London Fletcher type guys, and then theres guys like Portis, Landry etc; Too many players break a nail now days and call it a 4-6 week injury process. Say what you will, your entitled to your opinion, and obviously he could really be hurt, but in my opinion hes getting paid to sit there and enjoy life while his team, who was really depending on him, is getting murdered. Do I feel he was hurt? A little. Do I feel hes over-reacting and milking this injury to death? Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis
Yeah, and the Cleveland Browns are 8th in that category. Big plays to me are 40+, of which we only have three, one of which was a blown coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by gortiz
It does seem like a lot of injuries that you would think are no more than 2/3 week injuries rapidly turn into 5/6 week injuries and sometimes longer on this team. Maybe some guys are milking injuries or maybe we need a new training staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by redskins4ever28
The answer is very simple
1. Even though he has been playing great Robert Griffin is a rookie from a system that is unlike anything in the NFL. Given this, traditional drop back passing and traditional sets are not his forte yet. He isn't as comfortable executing in that environment.
2. These 'gimmicks" are a very effective one. We simply run few designed qb option runs and then mix in play actions off the QB run looks. The defense now has to read the RB as well as the QB. This slows the LBs from getting back into their drops even more than a regular play action. That is why we have so many completions in the middle of the field. It's not like RG3 is running this at a navy like pace 30+ times a game. We might actually run with it 10-15 times and RG3 might run himself 3-4 times. (designed runs that is)
3. Our receivers as they stand don't scare anyone and without the help of the play action freezing the defense have a hard time getting open. So in must pass situation where a play action would not be respected guess what? We struggle because of this and point number 1.
4. Along with point 1 and 3 our oline sucks at straight up pass protection. When the rush is slowed by reading the run on the play action they are fine. When the defense knows we have to pass and we do, they get blown up.
To summarize have a rookie qb, average at best receivers, and a oline that sucks at pass pro. Our pass game really should be abysmal. The "gimmick" saves us from that.
Our offense is great when
A. We are ahead/the game is close enough to where the run will be respected
B. When we are ahead of the down and distance (run threat is still there)
C. The run game is actually working (which is usually the case)
The offense is bad when
A. We are in catch up mode forcing RG3 to face must pass situations.
B. We are behind down and distance due to a penalty ( and we lead the league in those)
C. We are behind down and distance due to a TFL or incompletion forcing us into a 3rd and long
when you factor in the historically bad defense we are often in the bad situation A.
when you factor in the least disciplined team in the league we are often in bad situation B.
I feel as though the offense has performed admirably given these circumstances. If you feel differently then you obviously are not taking into account all of the variables.
or maybe these guys try to practice to soon and turn 2/3 week injuries into 5/6 week injuries
BobGriffin just came in and spit that real!! I agree with every one of your points. We run it out of necessity and for the reasons outlined very eloquently in that post. Not to say we can't run a few more "conventional" plays, but the "gimmicks" are an integral part of the offense and need to continue.
Listen to yourselves. Do you think we're the only team with average receivers? Kyle need to stop trying to be smarter that everybody else and let RG3 play QB before he get him killed.
BobGriffin thank you, that was perfectly put. Skins fans are ****ing nuts these days, the last 20 years have scrambled so many brains. Trying to read this place is like picking through a madhouse. I don't know why it's so hard for people to see what it is but you nailed it, on all fronts.
+100 BobGriffin. Iv'e been trying to explain this to others, but I like the way you broke it down. Hopefully you can make another thread or post to explain to others that this is not a seven step drop back offense, especially with our zbs lineman and a very mobile QB.
I respect that the one poster came out and posted that he is worried that RG3 will be a bust and then went on to compare Luck's passing game. I knew that this was an issue with some in this fan base and I was waiting for someone to finally man up.
The good completion % to INT ratio really is all I need to know that he will not bust.
The 2 min drill complaints I have no problem with, hopefully the coaches will work on that during the bye.