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Bob Griffins post also pretty much says what me and others feels.
There's always something with this team. We can't do this because of that. We can't do that because of this. I'm at the point where I'm only looking at wins and loses.
Why is Griff's skill as a passing QB still in question? His accuracy is superb, and even in games where we're playing from behind, his completion percentage continues to impress. He can make the throws and will continue to if given the time. Hell, even if he isn't given the time. I have seen that man connect on crucial 3rd and 4th downs in each of his first 9 games by virtue of his legs and heart alone. Yes, he can throw.
The offense has thrown some good blocks in open space to help pad out its YAC numbers, but we all know our receiving corps is insufficient to stretch the field. If you want Griff to be a "passing quarterback" in the non-west coast QB/Andrew Luck sense, give him some weapons. The gimmick plays will go when either Kyle goes or the novelty of RG3 as a concept goes. In the meantime, we are limited in personnel. Our #1 receiver was Indy's #2 last year, and he's not even playing. Davis is out. It's no wonder that the honeymoon is over.
Griff's success lives and dies by the running game right now because he has no one to break the game open individually, no one who can get open and make a defense pay. With a successful running attack, play action can put the defense on its heels and nullify individual matchups. But we don't run with Morris, because we have RG****ing3 under center. The idea of RG3 is strangling the offense, even though RG3 the player is one of the only things going for it, besides Morris and Trent Williams. And that is none other than Kyle's fault. He doesn't understand how to properly use RG3, and RG3 is far more valuable to this franchise than Kyle is. If it were up to me, the latter would be gone at season's end, replaced by Norv Turner, fresh of off his inevitable firing in San Diego. I know we all hate Norv, but he can run an offense.
You are right in that he is very smart with the ball. He doesn't fumble much, he's been very accurate with his passes (aside from a few downfield passes that have been just out of reach) & he protects the ball well. He's made few mistakes as a rookie & has played overwhelmingly impressive. It amazes me, watching him, how much like a veretan he already looks.
His WRs have made him look bad, stats wise, with dropped passes that hit them on the hands almost every time. That was unbelievably frustrating.
I also agree with this. I would love to see RG3 run a no-huddle offense. I am very confident that he could handle such a task well. Exceedingly well, in fact. I think, if we give them time, we'll be running that offense soon.Quote:
Which brings me to my next point, the two minute drill looked ridiculous Sunday. This I blame on the Shanahans. In the Tampa Bay game, Roberts headseat went out and he called the plays. They team looked urgent, they got to the line quick and played fast. Yesterday the two minute drill looked absolutely terrible. Robert was waiting for the coach to call in the play and it just took way too long. They need to let him run the no huddle. I think he will do a suberb job with it. Quite frankly, I think they need to just let him do his thing, run a no huddle and play a classic pro style offense. Everyones talking about Luck this week, give me a break. First of all, Luck throws 50 times a game. If robert threw 50 times a game, hed have similar stats. Secondly, the Colts have the absolute worst schedule in the NFL. Dolphins, Titans, Vikings, Jaguars, they havent played any tough defneses except the Bears, and the Packers defense sucks so Im not even saying them. Roberts had to play Giants, Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Rams (yes the rams have an amazing defense), even Cincinatti. All good defenses. People are just blowing the whole week 9 Luck performance out of proportion. Yes hes great, and I think he will be a future HOFer (I think RG3 will too), but come on man, when you throw 48 times in a game, 433 yards, is what should be expected. Let Griffin run the pro. The kid takes care of the ball so well. all the other rookie QBs have double digit INT's. Grif has 3! He is smart with the ball, let him play. I think his no-huddle would be very up-tempo.
The 2-minute drill has been dreadful. A severe lack of urgency. The goalline 4th down was horrendous. The entire defense knew what we were running & with our sorry blocking, it was easy to stop us.
Honestly, I'm not so worried about getting RG3 into a "pro" style offense. That will come in due time. As you said, no one has figured him out & I'm not sure anyone will be able to, given we surround him with the right personnel. But as long as WRs continue to drop balls placed right their hands, nothing he does, short of gaining all the yardage himself, is going to amount to much.
So far, I'm very happy with RG3. Not so much with how the Redskins have not put him in better situations to succeed.
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All I know is that now that you've said that, I hope Snyder gets his can of Norv-Away out & sprays the whole area with it. Good grief, Norv Turner.
I hope you paid good money for that stuff you're smokin' cause it is destroying your brain.
BobGriffin is my new favorite poster.
Anyone who claims Norv would be an upgrade over Mike S deserves a 2 week ban.
Honestly, even considering him as an OC is a frightening thought. It won't happen, so you can lay that idea to rest (along with Norv Turner's career).
We lost to the Jets 3-0 1 year with Norv Turner. The Jets were terrible that year. I think we crossed the 50 yard line once the entire game. It was one of the most embarrassing times as a Redskins fan I can remember. If we hired that man back as anything for any reason, there would be ALOT of ticked off Redskins fans. You may think he's upgrade for OC, but not here.
Well, that was why I prefaced my statement with "we all hate Norv." I certainly do remember.
To be perfectly honest, my fandom started right as the Norv years turned from bad to middling (1996), so I remember those mediocre years and the one playoff win it brought, and perhaps that's why my rage is slightly muted. It was absurd that we gave him an HC opportunity, as it minimized his talents as an OC (though our average rank in PPG during his tenure was 14th, which is better than what we would expect from a Skins offense these days), and it was equally moronic in SD. He can't manage a game properly with all of its facets (challenges, clock management, leadership on the sideline, and so on).
Besides the bad blood, the primary reason I would be concerned about Norv at OC is that his passing schemes are, to say the least, outdated. A lot of time has passed since 1993 and much has been done to gameplan for his schemes. I would much prefer that we find some young, upstart talent who can cling to this organization and grow with it, but it's more interesting to speculate about names we're all familiar with. There will be a great deal of speculation about where he goes when this season ends, and our name will pop up in the media, along with Dallas'. It's inevitable.
But, rest assured, I'm not picky at this stage. We had our OC sending RG3 deep a few weeks ago, and last week surrendering a great rushing attack in order to force a comeback through the air. It's evaluation time and, like many in this thread, I'm legitimately concerned that Kyle's play calling is stunting the growth of our greatest weapon. If he is still treating RG3 like a player he created in Madden by season's end, I don't see why he should stick around. I hope that he evaluates himself over the bye and adjusts accordingly. As tempting as it is to emphasize RG3's skills, that doesn't mean we need to run a pass-first offense with our current personnel.
I don't see why we dont use more of the 2 minute drill type no huddle offense on a series or two. The quick pace coupled with limited substitutions causes breakdowns which plays right to our QBs strengths.
Shannys need to back down from the gimmicks, and unleash this guy.
Luck however has operating an NFL style offense his entire collegiate career complete with Luck given (and excelling at) the capacity to scan the field make pre-snap reads and audible into favorable plays. Robert has all the physical tools to be a great pocket passer but given the state of the offense and defense it wouldn't be wise to just "throw him out there" unless you guys want to watch us get annihilated.
The drop backs and 30/40 yard strikes will come, but first the coaches have to fine tune what he is good at and then expand from there.
to be honest, I'm impressed with what Kyle has been able to produce with this offense.
Give RG3 a fast offense to operate so they can make more third downs. and scores.