Re: [ESPN980] Trent Dilfer: "Ultimate offense on 1st and 2nd down"
I love me some Dilfer. He's great on TV and can confirm personally he's a great dude. My uncle was his QB coach in Cleveland for a few years and LOVED him. Just a great, friendly guy that "gets it".
Also pulled off one of the best pranks I've heard of. I forget which Brown's rookie he supposedly did it to...but Dilfer got a copy of his apartment key made. When they went to an away game, he had paid movers to come in and take every item out of the kids apartment and put it into storage. When they came back from the road trip the Rookie opened his door to a barren apartment :)
Re: [ESPN980] Trent Dilfer: "Ultimate offense on 1st and 2nd down"
Im not basing my opinion off of this interview as Ive been of this opinion for a long time. I really enjoy listening to Trent Dilfer talk x's and o's. Guy is about as smart and thorough as they come; doesnt just spout garbage that he hears from his colleagues.
Nice listen, thanks for posting.
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kleese
Dilfer has positioned himself to be arguably the top technical analyst out there. He is always prepared, has a pretty engaging personality, and isn't afraid to drop criticism when necessary. He has surpassed Jaws as the go to "film breakdown" guy at ESPN.
Jaws is a ****tard.
---------- Post added December-7th-2012 at 01:13 PM ----------
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Bibby
Haha Yeah I'm a little confused. Didn't we always put this guy on blast for making idiot remarks and being a horrible QB?
I dont know who 'we' includes, but an NFL QB and an NFL Analyst are two completely different things.
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kleese
anyone that thinks Cowherd is an idiot or a hack has blinders on. He is very good at what he does.
Agree to disagree.
The guy is unlistenable, skins fan or not.
Re: [ESPN980] Trent Dilfer: "Ultimate offense on 1st and 2nd down"
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kleese
Dilfer has positioned himself to be arguably the top technical analyst out there. He is always prepared, has a pretty engaging personality, and isn't afraid to drop criticism when necessary. He has surpassed Jaws as the go to "film breakdown" guy at ESPN.
I'd put him at number two behind Mike Mayock. That guy is great.
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HailToTheRedskins14
If Dilfer had said "This is a gimmick offense that won't sustain", comments would be :
"LOL what does he know about being a QB? That loser didn't deserve his ring. He's an awful commentator and doesn't belong on TV".
:D
you know it's true
So true. He also said mark sanchez was going to be a beast!
Re: [ESPN980] Trent Dilfer: "Ultimate offense on 1st and 2nd down"
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GothSkinsFan
A lot of a-holes play this game. It's great when a good guy, like Trent Dilfer, or Mark Rypien, can get a ring. Dilfer may have been a mediocre QB, but yeah, becoming a top-notch analyst.
well a "mediocre" QB that has a Super Bowl ring. From my memory of the Super Bowl game, Dilfer did make some critical throws that put them over the top. Yes Ravens defense carried the team but Dilfer did make some throws that were critical during the Super Bowl run. Dilfer is not a HOF QB but he isnt as bad as what everyone want to make him to be.
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gibbsfan2018
So true. He also said mark sanchez was going to be a beast!
well scouting and projecting is a completely a different beast then just sitting down and analyzing the X's and O's...
Re: [ESPN980] Trent Dilfer: "Ultimate offense on 1st and 2nd down"
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kleese
Dilfer has positioned himself to be arguably the top technical analyst out there. He is always prepared, has a pretty engaging personality, and isn't afraid to drop criticism when necessary. He has surpassed Jaws as the go to "film breakdown" guy at ESPN.
According to Ron Jaworski, there are "a LOT" of quarterbacks playing better than Robert Griffin right now.
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According to Ron Jaworski, there are "a LOT" of quarterbacks playing better than Robert Griffin right now.
I see that this is something that commentators and analysts have been saying lately. For a week or so, it bothered me and I felt agitated by the disrespect. But then it dawned on me...I don't care. And I don't mean that in the way that one would think. It's not just that I don't care about Jaworski's (or anyone's) opinion, it's that I don't care if they are correct.
For years we've watched from afar as people tried to determine if Brady was good because of coaching or if Manning could replicate his success with a different cast or if Brees was doing anything special. At this point, I don't care if Griffin is succeeding because of coaching, scheme, or his ridiculous talent. He's succeeding and he's atop the QB rankings in almost every category. That's real. The factors don't concern me because none of them appear to be changing any time soon.
So, whether Griffin is just incredible and would succeed anywhere or if he and the Shanahans are just a perfect match, the end result is that our Redskins are getting top-notch QB play from their 22-year old rookie. And there's seemingly no end in sight. I'd be thrilled to sit here for a decade-plus and let fans from other teams attempt to rationalize and debate it. If they are, I have a feeling we'll be reeling off double-digit win seasons and playoff runs.
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According to Ron Jaworski, there are "a LOT" of quarterbacks playing better than Robert Griffin right now.
I wonder who he would say these LOT are? Brady, Manning, Schaub and that's it in my eyes. Matty Ice had a 5 int game didn't he? If by Lot he means 3, than he's correct.
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TD_washingtonredskins
I see that this is something that commentators and analysts have been saying lately. For a week or so, it bothered me and I felt agitated by the disrespect. But then it dawned on me...I don't care. And I don't mean that in the way that one would think. It's not just that I don't care about Jaworski's (or anyone's) opinion, it's that I don't care if they are correct.
For years we've watched from afar as people tried to determine if Brady was good because of coaching or if Manning could replicate his success with a different cast or if Brees was doing anything special. At this point, I don't care if Griffin is succeeding because of coaching, scheme, or his ridiculous talent. He's succeeding and he's atop the QB rankings in almost every category. That's real. The factors don't concern me because none of them appear to be changing any time soon.
So, whether Griffin is just incredible and would succeed anywhere or if he and the Shanahans are just a perfect match, the end result is that our Redskins are getting top-notch QB play from their 22-year old rookie. And there's seemingly no end in sight. I'd be thrilled to sit here for a decade-plus and let fans from other teams attempt to rationalize and debate it. If they are, I have a feeling we'll be reeling off double-digit win seasons and playoff runs.
this:thumbsup:
Re: [ESPN980] Trent Dilfer: "Ultimate offense on 1st and 2nd down"
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TD_washingtonredskins
I see that this is something that commentators and analysts have been saying lately. For a week or so, it bothered me and I felt agitated by the disrespect. But then it dawned on me...I don't care.
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I feel the same way. I was mostly curious as to the specific number and names of the QBs were outplaying him.
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skinsfan07
I wonder who he would say these LOT are? Brady, Manning, Schaub and that's it in my eyes. Matty Ice had a 5 int game didn't he? If by Lot he means 3, than he's correct.
I believe the only one he named was Peyton Manning. This was on PTI yesterday.
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rdskn4eva
I'd put him at number two behind Mike Mayock. That guy is great.
Yeah, I'll take Mayock's draft analysis over Kiper (or anyone else) anyday.
Re: [ESPN980] Trent Dilfer: "Ultimate offense on 1st and 2nd down"
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COOLeyCatchTds
Im not basing my opinion off of this interview as Ive been of this opinion for a long time. I really enjoy listening to Trent Dilfer talk x's and o's. Guy is about as smart and thorough as they come; doesnt just spout garbage that he hears from his colleagues.
Nice listen, thanks for posting.
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Jaws is a ****tard.
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I dont know who 'we' includes, but an NFL QB and an NFL Analyst are two completely different things.
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Agree to disagree.
The guy is unlistenable, skins fan or not.
Jaws is a dork.... Not the greatest on camera presence, but I always thought he broke the game down very well. He was good on the old Monday Night Match Up show.
Cowherd is fantastic at what he does... He might be unlistenable to you, but there is a reason he is the top host at ESPN with a prime slot. He is well informed and always has specific talking points.
And his picks this year are unreal. 12 straight winning weeks against the spread indicates some good luck for sure, but also lots of research and time.
When I listen to him he doesn't seem like the kind of dude is want to hang out with, but he makes for good radio.
Re: [ESPN980] Trent Dilfer: "Ultimate offense on 1st and 2nd down"
But even he's talking about it as a bridge offense.
He talks about needing to develop a 3rd down offense and develop into a pocket passer that can make progression reads and RGIII hasn't done that (though he does think it will happen, which is great IMO).
And I'd disagree with the idea with the fact that he's big is going to prevent not just injuries, but the wear and tear on him. Things like the concussion Vick has this year have nothing to do with size and Rothlisberger, who is even bigger, has had multiple issues with injuries through the years in terms of missing games, but also injuries where he's played, but not really been effective (a guy that doesn't really run much, but because of his OL and the way he plays takes lots of hits). The other things, it isn't just the rushes. It is also the hits he takes on the fakes.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/w...ig-hits-092612
They've already talked about him stop selling the fakes to avoid hits:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/w...ig-hits-092612
Now, that's from Sept., but I'm pretty sure I've seen him take hits on the fake more recently. I'll pay more attention next week. Maybe I'm wrong, and am biased from things that happened earlier in the season.
And just to say it in another thread, I'm not saying don't run at all. I'm not saying don't do things, like move the pocket, that allow him to use his legs. I'm saying do less of it and do it in a smarter manner.
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kleese
Jaws is a dork.... Not the greatest on camera presence, but I always thought he broke the game down very well. He was good on the old Monday Night Match Up show.
Cowherd is fantastic at what he does... He might be unlistenable to you, but there is a reason he is the top host at ESPN with a prime slot. He is well informed and always has specific talking points.
And his picks this year are unreal. 12 straight winning weeks against the spread indicates some good luck for sure, but also lots of research and time.
When I listen to him he doesn't seem like the kind of dude is want to hang out with, but he makes for good radio.
Agreed on Jaws, major dork and yes, Ill admit he does a good job breaking down film. He's just super annoying to me.
I do more reading than posting on here and I respect you as a poster, so Ill take you word when it comes to Cowherd. Its literally been years since Ive listened to him. I just found myself disagreeing with him more often than not. But the reason I quit listening to him is as far as he is concerned, his word is gospel and if anyone (his callers) had a different opinion, he would condescendingly mock them.
I cant respect that.
Re: [ESPN980] Trent Dilfer: "Ultimate offense on 1st and 2nd down"
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TD_washingtonredskins
I see that this is something that commentators and analysts have been saying lately. For a week or so, it bothered me and I felt agitated by the disrespect. But then it dawned on me...I don't care. And I don't mean that in the way that one would think. It's not just that I don't care about Jaworski's (or anyone's) opinion, it's that I don't care if they are correct.
Amen. Analysts often nitpick and break down successful players and teams. Some do it to be contrarian, so as not to be seen saying the same thing as everybody else. Some legitimately feel a player or team is overhyped, and want to be a counterbalance. Some have different reasons altogether.
The key element in all of this, though, is success, and it's been so long that the Redskins, individually or collectively, have had enough success to merit this kind of attention, I can't even remember what it was like. Bring on the "haters". :)
