Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
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Originally Posted by
alexey
Yes, he raised taxes in 1993 and then came 1994.
Raising taxes and cutting spending are usually, if not always, politically difficult and risky things to do. We cannot even start this conversation If we cannot get agreement on that.
No disagreement there.
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
Could've raised taxes when the housing market was booming, but we didn't.
We were on this jolly course of, "Hey, things are great, why change it?". So we didn't raise taxes then and here we are. I will admit, for the low taxes is good for business folks, that in hindsight it's a good thing that we didn't raise taxes then because of the sham that was the housing bubble. But hey, the dot com bubble was a sham as well and it got our budget balanced.
I don't see anywhere that the Bush tax policy has actually helped our economy.
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
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Originally Posted by
twa
I can't see the picture :(
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
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Originally Posted by
mcsluggo
I can't see the picture :(
http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/w.../bushchart.jpg
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
i see... so i assume the point of the picture is to point out that even in the face of the most significnat economicdownturn in 80 years, spending only very temporarily blipped above its long run growth trajectory, but governemtn revenues have been hammered badly....
so TWA... are you saying we need to raise taxes ?
(this chart would be much more useful if the y-axis was %-of-gdp, ratehr than straight $$$)
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
I got a letter from work showing 2013 vs 2012
And I'm around 150 $ short. I'll get the details but
I'm hoping this isn't the deal as this doesn't seem
Any diff than the cliff
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
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Originally Posted by
Thiebear
I got a letter from work showing 2013 vs 2012
And I'm around 150 $ short. I'll get the details but
I'm hoping this isn't the deal as this doesn't seem
Any diff than the cliff
Likely it's because your SS contribution reverted back to 6.2%.
It had been 4.2% for the last 2 years.
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
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Originally Posted by
Thiebear
I got a letter from work showing 2013 vs 2012
And I'm around 150 $ short. I'll get the details but
I'm hoping this isn't the deal as this doesn't seem
Any diff than the cliff
Everybody in the US who has earned income, got a 2% pay cut, as part of the deal that the media keeps insisting on describing as "shielding everybody who makes less than $400K from a tax hike".
(Well, everybody with earned income that's less than $110K, per person. Everybody who makes more than that, lost 2% of $110K.)
That said, though, it's possible that your payroll department were forced to assume that all of the tax cuts expired. Their estimate may be based on the assumption that you got hit with the payroll tax and the income tax increases, both.
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
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Originally Posted by
Larry
Everybody in the US who has earned income, got a 2% pay cut, as part of the deal that the media keeps insisting on describing as "shielding everybody who makes less than $400K from a tax hike".
(Well, everybody with earned income that's less than $110K, per person. Everybody who makes more than that, lost 2% of $110K.)
That said, though, it's possible that your payroll department were forced to assume that all of the tax cuts expired. Their estimate may be based on the assumption that you got hit with the payroll tax and the income tax increases, both.
Also, payroll tax holiday expired.
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
Hey look, 3 posts in a row saying exactly the same thing.
:evilg:
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...46f_story.html
Congress passes $9.7 billion in Sandy aid, with some House GOP dissent
Congress has approved $9.7 billion in new aid for victims of Hurricane Sandy, with a face-saving quick move by the House taken three days after Speaker John A. Boehner earned scathing criticism from New York and New Jersey Republicans for canceling a late-night vote on the funds.
The bill, which will allow the Federal Emergency Management Agency to pay out claims to those who held federal flood insurance, was approved in the House on a 354 to 67 vote. After the House action, the Senate also adopted by bill in a quick unanimous voice vote, sending it to President Obama.
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
Even single no vote was GOP too.
Glad to see that some of them still continue to put politics over everything else.
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
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Originally Posted by
The Evil Genius
Even single no vote was GOP too.
Glad to see that some of them still continue to put politics over everything else.
Vs those that put pork above everything else
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
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Originally Posted by
twa
Vs those that put pork above everything else
This was a pork bill?
Re: The Debt Ceiling Thread (Jan-Feb-March 2013 Edition)
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Originally Posted by
The Evil Genius
Hey look, 3 posts in a row saying exactly the same thing.
:evilg:
And a payroll tax holiday had something to do with it too.
:paranoid: