Campbell Skins third choice at 25?

[Westbrook36]

Read this on the Ratbirds board tonight...

The Washington Redskins wound up taking QB Jason Campbell with the pick that they acquired from the Denver Broncos... but from what we have heard...Campbell was the Redskins third choice with that pick, but had to settle for the Auburn QB because the two players that the Skins were targeting were unexpectedly taken before the 25th pick...the reason the Redskins acquired that pick was because of an internal disagreement between the Redskins Scouting Department and Head Coach Joe Gibbs...Gibbs wanted to land a WR with the Redskins ninth pick overall...but the Scouting Department was pushing for CB Carlos Rogers...because of the disagreement the Redskins made the move to acquire the 25th pick overall from the Broncos so that they would satisfy Gibbs wish for a Receiver...the Redskins plan was to take WR Matt Jones of Arkansas with the pick or WR Mark Clayton of Oklahoma if Jones was already off the board...the Redskins were reportedly shocked that both Jones and Clayton went before the 25th pick....the Redskins organization did a great job of convincing everyone last week that information had leaked out that the team was planning on taking Campbell with the pick they acquired so that the other teams wouldn't catch on to the Redskins real plan of taking Matt Jones with that pick...that situation was a "classic" example of a smokescreen that NFL teams use to cover their intentions in the Draft....although...this time it backfired!

http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2005PreDraft.html

[NoCalMike]

Interesting........

[panel]

Sounds like BS to me.

[BIGGS_DADDY]

Oh well. What's done is done.

[CMonster]

I would be ecstatic if this were true. I don't think there's much that will get me to reconcile that the Skins gave up a 1st, 3rd and 4th for Campbell, who might not have been there anyway.

Personally, I wouldn't spend a 4th round pick alone on Campbell. I hope I am wrong on this one.

[Baculus]

I dunno, this sounds plausible, and in a way, more realistic then the Campbell pick being the primary target. But who knows....

If you think about it, maybe that is why Ramsey, at least publically, isn't too rattled by the pick. Maybe Gibbs explained their draft strategy and Ramsey knew that Campbell wasn't the targeted player at 25.

[scruffylookin]

Originally posted by CMonster
I would be ecstatic if this were true. I don't think there's much that will get me to reconcile that the Skins gave up a 1st, 3rd and 4th for Campbell.

Personally, I wouldn't spend a 4th round pick alone on Campbell. I hope I am wrong on this one.

So you would rather give up 3 draft picks, including a future 1 on a PROJECT like Matt Jones. I don't get the facination with this guy. If he turns out to be good, and that's a big if, it'll be a few years down the line. You draft a wideout in the 1st round, he better produce. You give up 3 draft picks to take a potential franchise QB, not a project WR whose never played the position, let alone against top notch talent. I also heard a scout say on ESPN radio that he thought the Matt Jones pick was the worst of the 1st round for the reasons I stated and the fact that Jones has gone on record saying he has no interest in blocking. No way Gibbs wanted any part of that guy.

Clayton maybe, but not Jones.

Also, let's say this article is true, so what? What's the difference between the Skins FO have a disagreement on a pick and the fight that I'm sure was going on inside the GB "war room" on draft day. No way did they want to pick Rodgers. That team needs defensive help in the worst way and Rodgers falling to them was a nightmare.

While I won't say this piece is a "bash" of the Skins, I think it's speculation at best. As much as I hate to say it, I'll believe Lenny P. ahead of these guys. He wrote that we made the trade to specifically take Campbell. I'm sure we had a few other guys on a list just in case Campbell was gone, but I'm betting we made the move for Campbell not freaking Matt Jones.

[jpgirth]

This is "made up news"
I am sure the skins had 10+ guys ahead of Campbell including Braylon Edwards, Cedric Benson etc. None of these guys fell to them so they settled for Cambell.
To me it seems pretty obvious they targeted Campbell. The only questionable decision is trading for those picks earlier, and maybe Campbell falling (second) and not having to give as much.
I do believe they were also open to trades and their draft position gave them flexibility.
Gibbs did state that even if Aaron Rogers was there he would have still drafted Cambell.
The draft is a crap shoot. The bottom line is even if every year we have a crappy draft, if we still win, you will not hear a peep.
The patriots in the first round took Logan Mankins. On Sirius they stated "no one will criticize Pioli/Belicheck, but they didn't know who Logan is"
Eagles prove this theory.
1st round-Mitchell
1st round (gave up a second)-Mcdougle
1st round(gave up a second)-Andrews
They equal not much production especially Mcdougle, and Andrews has proved that he can stay healty 1 quarter, and enough has been said about Mitchell who will almost definately be cut.

[Art]

This is made up news, indeed, because, there's no such thing as a disagreement between Gibbs and the scouting department. Gibbs makes the decisions, ultimately, and if he wasn't on board with Rogers, we wouldn't have Rogers, so, he had to agree on some level, even if HE would have preferred a receiver.

I think, though, there is some truth to what was said here that the Skins probably had a handful of players targeted for this spot, including James had he fallen, Clayton and Jones had they and Campbell. The guy left was Campbell and we couldn't have been that shocked about it, as we told Ramsey earlier in the week we could take a QB high if that was an option for us.

[Thiebear]

Please: almost everyone was saying Rogers...
And you don't have a leak get out from LP, then try and cover it up just to do exactly what you said you were going to do and have it be an accident...

[SkinsFTW]

I could see Clayton being higher on their list but I dont buy them picking Matt Jones at 25 considering he is likely to be a bust. Consider that most first round WR's are not as good as expected and many are busts then also consider that Jones wasn't even a WR but just a player that might possibly be a good WR but nobody knows. I heard the guy is lazy, not exactly a trait you want in someone expected to learn how to play a new position.

[Neophyte]

Originally posted by Art


I think, though, there is some truth to what was said here that the Skins probably had a handful of players targeted for this spot, including James had he fallen, Clayton and Jones had they and Campbell. The guy left was Campbell and we couldn't have been that shocked about it, as we told Ramsey earlier in the week we could take a QB high if that was an option for us.

Agreed. You don't trade up for a pick as early as the team did without having a list of guys you are willing to take with that pick. If you really want one guy and one guy only, you wait and make this trade while your trade partner is on the clock so that you know your guy is there.

[da#1skinsfan]

I agree...made up news.

1) If it was Snyders call he would have gotten the spiciest pick, we all know that, IE Mike Williams @ 9.

2) Its JUST like Gibbs to base his decisions on his thoughts only, and not whats going on in the rest of the draft. Didnt matter if we could get Rogers @ 15 or 18, it didnt matter if Cambell would have dropped farther. Theyre there, Gibbs likes them, Gibbs gets them.

3) The ONLY justification I could see for taking Rogers @ 9 has Gibbs written all over it. Big physical corner who is used to single coverage. He stresses division wins, and he needs someone to cover TO and Burress who is big, physical, and has experience.

[SkinsRback04]

Everyone forgets that Gibbs himself has repeatedly said there were about 5 people at that slot they were looking at. He has said this post-draft...so is he still trying to blow smoke?
Go listen to the tapes. So why is this made up news...other than it dares to suggest another scenario than the one a good many people here seem to have settled on?

[airborneskins]

I cal BS on this one!