Teen Faces Life Sentence For Helping Girlfriend End Pregnancy

[Doozinbrah]

Thats messed up.....how could somone do that? Like Jbooma said Adoption. There are so many couples unable to have children who would give their right arm for the chance to adopt.

[stevenaa]

"Safe isn't to your liking?"

It is currently safe and cheap. But that still didn't stop this idiocy.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

If those babies were in third trimester---well, I have no complaints.

Kicking and punching a belly to kill twins IS murder.

At least in this case, an abortion was performed with some degree of intellectual honesty. Punch and stomp until they die. As opposed to a "surgical procedure" that somehow escapes the label of murder.

(and im talking about late-term abortions, not all abortions or morning after pills)

If a man robbed a pregnant woman and did that during a late-term, he'd be convicted of murder. Just because you WANT it doesn't make it more just.

There are such things as adoption or even legal abandonment(at a fire or police station or other government locations.)

Furthermore, ask yourself this question:

If the duress had forced an early labor and the babies were born ALIVE--what would have been their reaction?

We already have girls who've dumped babies in trash cans and gone back to whatever they were doing. What's to say they wouldn't have murdered the babies once they were outside the birth canal?

[Gichin13]

Originally posted by Liberty
The life of a 19 year old is destroyed, did the jury or judge really think he was a danger to society to warran complete expulsion? This is a very sad situation.

EDIT: turned out to be an automatic sentence, mandatory minimums, and automatic sentences are taking away discretion that judges and juries can decide. I hate these laws, they are made by idiot politicians to gain politcal points from equally stupid people without any regard to what it has done to the justice systems.

The judge who was one of the major proponents and architects of the federal sentencing guidelines is now campaigning against them ...

[Phat Hog]

Originally posted by endzone_dave


The story doesn't say how far into her pregnancy she was but since she didn't get get an abortion, I'm guessing she was far along into it. To me, ending the life of twins who were only a few months away (maybe less) of being born by pounding on them is sick.

Ending the life of twins in the womb by pounding on them is sick at any age.

[redman]

Originally posted by stevenaa
"Safe isn't to your liking?"

It is currently safe and cheap. But that still didn't stop this idiocy.

Winner.

[B&GPride44]

WTF...I say they beat and punch on this kid until he dies. Even if his g/f asked him to do it so what. He couldn't have said no. That is seriously disturbing that someone can be so matter of fact about human life to do such a thing!

[airborneskins]

Originally posted by Liberty
I hate these laws, they are made by idiot politicians to gain politcal points from equally stupid people without any regard to what it has done to the justice systems.

Dude, You're 18.. What do you know about idiot politicians? You're only 18 for pete's sake.

[Thiebear]

Originally posted by airborneskins


Dude, You're 18.. What do you know about idiot politicians? You're only 18 for pete's sake.

Liberty lives here.... he's pretty smart on many issues and that reply is his pet peeve...

I say you give the kid a medical degree and an office... He apparently did it correctly.. as opposed to the doctor that only killed 1 of the twins and the other won the lottery and was born...

[stevenaa]

"Liberty lives here.... he's pretty smart on many issues and that reply is his pet peeve... "

And his point is valid.

[Predicto]

Originally posted by airborneskins


Dude, You're 18.. What do you know about idiot politicians? You're only 18 for pete's sake.

Liberty may be 18 but he shows more brains and knowledge than most people on this board, even when you disagree with him.

[Prosperity]

Originally posted by airborneskins


Dude, You're 18.. What do you know about idiot politicians? You're only 18 for pete's sake.

probably more than most people

[endzone_dave]

Originally posted by Liberty


probably more than most people

Using precious brain cells on idiot politicians is a waste, unless some day you want to be an idiot politician yourself. I waste tons of brain cells on sports, video games, and movies so I shouldn't be talking.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Guys, don't divert attention from the topic.

And someone's age, while it can factor into maturity, knowledge and wisdom, does not mean they don't have the ability to form an intelligent opinion(or the right to form a stupid one, if they wish.)

[NoCalMike]

This is why mandatory minimum sentences are fing ridiculous. Of course over the last decade it has mostly been used in drug cases which have produced equally horrible sentences.