Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About FedExField

[DC9]

And that's fine, you're entitled to do what you please.
And this is about more than just one 80 year old, and you know it.

My point is it is selfish to only care about yourself and not about how your actions impact others. If you're going to be a selfish person thats fine, there's nothing the rest of us can do about it. It's no better than the drunks that think it's ok to get plastered and inconvenience everyone else either; we deal with them as well.

I just find it funny that somehow the fans that go to the capitals games have been able to figure it out yet the fans that go to the redskins games can't. They have a much better home field advantage than the redskins do, and they sit down. Go figure. Guess all that standing is doing a lot of good huh?

Semantic argument about hockey... so we won't go there.

However, I think it's selfish for an 80 year old man to want everyone in his section to sit so that he doesn't have to stand up or buy box tickets in the club level. I think it's great that he wants to come to the games... but lets be real. How do you differentiate?

[tshile]

I am 5 rows from the field, I am not the first row. The people in front of me stand, and therefore I stand. I have no problem with this. On occasion I may be the first to stand. As I said, it was not for the entire game. It was for pivotal times on defense when the crowd was trying to get loud. And the usher is trying to sit everyone. He even admitted, "I know I can't get everyone to sit, but it's my job to come down here and try". Meaning even he knows its ridiculous, but somebody higher up is thinking its a good idea to have everyone sit for the whole game.

Are you really trying to tell me that I am a selfish person because I am standing for certain parts of a football game? Not an egregious conclusion at all...

Standing during certain parts of the game is completely different than standing the entire game and you know it.

And I deduce that you're also saying that everyone at Fedex should be sitting for the entire game, correct? Please tell me in what other home stadium in the NFL, college, anywhere do you think this actually happens? It's this perspective that's lead us to have a nonexistent home field advantage in the past decade.

Where did I say they should sit the entire game?

From the sounds of it, you might be better off watching the games at home if you'd just like to sit quietly and watch the game like its an opera and are going to get bent out of shape about people really supporting our team during critical moments.

Ah yes, the "The only ways to watch teh game are to stand the entire time or sit quietly the entire time" argument. You clearly have never been to a capitals game. Maybe you should expand your stadium experiences a bit, see how other people behave. You might also want to consider the idea that the world is not black and white, and that often times in life you have more options than just 2 polar opposites.

---------- Post added October-3rd-2012 at 09:46 AM ----------

Semantic argument about hockey... so we won't go there.

However, I think it's selfish for an 80 year old man to want everyone in his section to sit so that he doesn't have to stand up or buy box tickets in the club level. I think it's great that he wants to come to the games... but lets be real. How do you differentiate?

I love how easily you dismiss the comparison to the verizon center, even though you're the one that started the thread about 'fan accountability' for the lack of home field advantage...

That's fine for you to think that. Again, it's about more than one 80 year old man and you know it. It's about the general fan intelligence of the people who attend fedex field. It's talked about in many threads, and used to reference many different types of fan behavior. This is just one type. You can get stuck on the 80 year old man comment if you want, that's fine; there's a much larger picture there if you decide you want to take a look.

These are the same fans that get ****faced and make it a very unpleasant place to bring kids. The same fans that scream and chant and yell while our offense is on the field. The same fans that can never seem to be in their seats by kick off. The list goes on and on and on. This is just one part of many that are causing a terrible 'fan intelligence' issue with the people who are currently attending the games. And they excuse it all by pointing out that they paid for their seats; as if the rest of us didn't, or that somehow entitles them to inconvenience the rest of us.

[DC9]

I love how easily you dismiss the comparison to the verizon center, even though you're the one that started the thread about 'fan accountability' for the lack of home field advantage...

because dude... the verizon center is smaller than FedEx... by a lot. You don't have to stand to see anything. You can sit down and see the game and then stand up when the team gets a goal. You also aren't required to make noise the whole time, nor is it really beneficial. Don't act like it's this great home ice advantage because it isn't. It's a fun venu - sort of... but it presents it's own issues as well.

That's fine for you to think that. Again, it's about more than one 80 year old man and you know it. It's about the general fan intelligence of the people who attend fedex field. It's talked about in many threads, and used to reference many different types of fan behavior. This is just one type. You can get stuck on the 80 year old man comment if you want, that's fine; there's a much larger picture there if you decide you want to take a look.

I am looking. How is it more important for an 80 year old man to burden an entire section than it would be for that 80 year old to stay home or to buy tickets to where he doesn't have to stand? How is that fair for the other fans who want to stand and make an impressive home field advantage?

These are the same fans that get ****faced and make it a very unpleasant place to bring kids. The same fans that scream and chant and yell while our offense is on the field. The same fans that can never seem to be in their seats by kick off. The list goes on and on and on. This is just one part of many that are causing a terrible 'fan intelligence' issue with the people who are currently attending the games. And they excuse it all by pointing out that they paid for their seats; as if the rest of us didn't, or that somehow entitles them to inconvenience the rest of us

Yeah, I started a thread a couple days ago about such fans, but I am not going to bash fans for standing up (on defense anyways). Don't be afraid to communicate to guys if you think they are out of line or a little over the top. It's all in how you do it. I speak to guys often about that. I'm not holier than thou about it, I just let em know, 'hey man, I think you should start drinking water now' or something like that. I don't disagree that there is a problem with over-endulgence in alcohol with some of our fanbase, but lord I think you are taking it to another level on some of these other issues.

You are the same guy who was kneejerk and called Lavar and Dukes to tell them you cancelled your tickets after the seat downsizing are you not?

I think that right there shows you need to take a few deep breaths before you act or say things. Relax... it worked for Frankie, brother.

[tshile]

because dude... the verizon center is smaller than FedEx... by a lot. You don't have to stand to see anything. You can sit down and see the game and then stand up when the team gets a goal. You also aren't required to make noise the whole time, nor is it really beneficial. Don't act like it's this great home ice advantage because it isn't. It's a fun venu - sort of... but it presents it's own issues as well.

You don't have to stand up to see anything at Fed Ex either, unless the people in front of you decide to stand. And they make noise the entire time at Verizon. It may depend on which games you go to since there are so many and their meaningfulness varies, but I've been to playoff games there and it's very, very loud.

I'm not sure why it's not a great home ice advantage?

I am looking. How is it more important for an 80 year old man to burden an entire section than it would be for that 80 year old to stay home or to buy tickets to where he doesn't have to stand? How is that fair for the other fans who want to stand and make an impressive home field advantage?

You're so hung up on the 80 year old man comment it's ridiculous. Try reading the rest of the posts.

Yeah, I started a thread a couple days ago about such fans, but I am not going to bash fans for standing up (on defense anyways). Don't be afraid to communicate to guys if you think they are out of line or a little over the top. It's all in how you do it. I speak to guys often about that. I'm not holier than thou about it, I just let em know, 'hey man, I think you should start drinking water now' or something like that. I don't disagree that there is a problem with over-endulgence in alcohol with some of our fanbase, but lord I think you are taking it to another level on some of these other issues.

Standing on a big play is different than standing during the whole game. The conversation started with people standing the whole game. Don't turn it into a 'we just stand sometimes' sort of thing because thats not in any way the same thing. I stand on big plays too, and have never said I have a problem with that.

I'm not holier than thou about it, I'm calling it what it is; selfish, dumb behavior by people in our fanbase who have proven they don't know how to behave at football games on many different levels. It's part of a problem. And people act like jackasses if you even suggest they don't stand the entire game. I'm not sure how many games you've been to over the last couple of years, but I've been to them all. It's common at EVERY single game. And it's never the season ticket holders who do it, at least not in the 3 sections I've sat in over the last 3 years. It's always some drunk ass hole who doesn't normally sit in the seats who thinks he's special and that the rest of us had never thought about standing before.

You are the same guy who was kneejerk and called Lavar and Dukes to tell them you cancelled your tickets after the seat downsizing are you not?

I think that right there shows you need to take a few deep breaths before you act or say things. Relax... it worked for Frankie, brother.

Yeah, I wasn't the only one either. It was the way the team handled it, knowing the way this organization runs things.
I didn't get them back until I talked to Tony WIley and he answered the basic questions we were all asking at the time.

Furthermore, this isn't a knee jerk reaction. This has been a conversation thats been going on for years on this forum. It's a very simple concept of not standing the ENTIRE game. You've been in the conversation before. What did you expect? How is this in any way knee-jerk?

[RFKFedEx]

Its not the standing on big third down plays that bothers most people. Its the lone wolves who feel the need to stand during 1st and ten plays when the Redskins have the ball at midfield, in the middle of a quarter; not inside two minutes when the game is on the line or there's a sense of urgency.

We've all had to deal with that guy at some point. There are way more of these guys than people who demand you sit the entire game.

[tshile]

Exactly. Not sure how we got spun into not wanting people to stand at critical moments of the game. Never suggested that, I'm one of the people who stands then...

[DC9]

You don't have to stand up to see anything at Fed Ex either, unless the people in front of you decide to stand. And they make noise the entire time at Verizon. It may depend on which games you go to since there are so many and their meaningfulness varies, but I've been to playoff games there and it's very, very loud.

Everytime I've sat in the lower level I've needed to stand up. Could just be where I sat, who knows? In the 400s, I don't have to stand, but I do because I want to. Honestly, it's not because I'm a big rah-rah guy, it's because I live in Fredericksburg and I am tired of sitting by the time I get there, lol.

You obviously have a very high opinion of Verizon, I've only been there a couple of times and I just don't think it's that awesome. Just like I'm not impressed with Nats park. Hey, I get it, maybe I'm weird. Maybe the "hype" for both places was a bit much and I just expected too much. I don't know. I am not saying I'd never go to either again, but I'm not as impressed with either venue as most are I guess.

You're so hung up on the 80 year old man comment it's ridiculous. Try reading the rest of the posts.

If you don't want to argue the point, then don't bring it up as an exhibit. I'll count that one as a win for DC9! Also bad form for bringing other venues into discussions about FedEx field... but you are all over the place already.

Standing on a big play is different than standing during the whole game. The conversation started with people standing the whole game. Don't turn it into a 'we just stand sometimes' sort of thing because thats not in any way the same thing. I stand on big plays too, and have never said I have a problem with that.

I'm not holier than thou about it, I'm calling it what it is; selfish, dumb behavior by people in our fanbase who have proven they don't know how to behave at football games on many different levels. It's part of a problem. And people act like jackasses if you even suggest they don't stand the entire game. I'm not sure how many games you've been to over the last couple of years, but I've been to them all. It's common at EVERY single game. And it's never the season ticket holders who do it, at least not in the 3 sections I've sat in over the last 3 years. It's always some drunk ass hole who doesn't normally sit in the seats who thinks he's special and that the rest of us had never thought about standing before.

I've been to them all too, save for a game or two where work interefered. And bro, I know the type, and these guys rarely last the entire game from my experience. It's sad, and I'm with you. I hope it changes. All I am trying to say to you is that I haven't had a problem with communicating with people who I think have a bit too much. And normally they are with a "referee" (as I like to call them anyways) who is there to keep them in line and you just find that guy and say what you need to. I've had one issue where it didn't work, and that was at the Jets game last year and it was a Jets fan. I had to call the security guys and they took care of it for us. I'm sorry if you don't have the same success/experience in your area and I'm not trying to imply that I could do better. But communication solves a lot of my problems and problems for other fans in my section.

Yeah, I wasn't the only one either. It was the way the team handled it, knowing the way this organization runs things.
I didn't get them back until I talked to Tony WIley and he answered the basic questions we were all asking at the time.

Furthermore, this isn't a knee jerk reaction. This has been a conversation thats been going on for years on this forum. It's a very simple concept of not standing the ENTIRE game. You've been in the conversation before. What did you expect? How is this in any way knee-jerk?

I think it's knee jerk for you to cancel your tickets because pics come out on the internet where your seats are gone before you or anyone else knew what was up. And to top it off, you called Lavar Arrington's show to get attention for it? How is that not knee-jerk? Especially when you got your tickets back...

I didn't do that. My brother didn't do that. None of my boys did that. You say you weren't the only one and I don't doubt that you weren't... but that's pretty knee-jerk.

Going back to that time I think I even said I supported you, because hey, why not? I am not saying it wasn't a bad move and you probably got a decent upgrade and you got to talk to TW, which is pretty cool... but that doesn't mean that it wasn't knee-jerk given the circumstances.

[Popeman38]

Anyone go to the VT-Cincy game last Saturday? I sat in row 27 of sec 121. on the 47 yard line, visiting sideline. We stood the entire time the VT D was on the field. We sat when the offense was on the field. We stood whenever a big play/TD happened. But on D, we stood and yelled the entire time the D was on the field. That is what Seattle does that creates the homefield advantage. That is what we did in RFK to create a homefield advantage. If the LL of FedEx stood and yelled the entire time the D was on the field, FedEx would have a homefield advantage. The opposing team would struggle in the huddle and they would have a hard time calling inaudibles inside 10 seconds o the play clock (you know, like Eli and Romo do constantly after diagnosing the D?). I understand not wanting to stand, I do. But in reality, standing and screaming is what CREATES the advantage. There is nothing wrong with expecting a crowd to stand whenever the D is on the field. We can sit during the offensive drives, TV timeouts, between quarters, and at half. That would be more than half the game sitting with a homefield advantage (because we would have the ball more than 50% of the game).

I don't want to call people out. I don't want to get in a pissing contest about fan etiquette. But go to a major CFB game. The fans STAND and YELL whenever the defense is on the field. And the yelling pauses briefly between plays. At FedEx, about 10% of the crowd is cheering the entire play clock, when the team is huddled and calling the play. The rest get involved as the play clock winds down. The stadium gets loud inside 10 seconds, and on 3rd and 4th downs. We need FedEx to be loud on 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th down from the moment the ball is spotted. We need to make it uncomfortable for the QB. Make it hard for him to hear the call, and harder still to relay the call in the huddle. It is my dream to one day attend an NFL game at FedEx and feel like I am attending a CFB game. FedEx was rocking in 2004 for the VT-USC game, and again for the VT-Boise St game in 2010. So to those saying that FedEx can't be a loud stadium, I call BS. The fans are directly responsible for the noise level.

[tshile]

DC9 - twisting the argument every which way you can, sidetracking whenever possible.
If you want to stand the whole game fine, be my guest. But don't hide from the fact that your behavior is selfish, own it.
Finally, thinking that just because you paid for your seat you're entitled to inconvenience others (who have also paid for their seat) says a lot about you.

[MattFancy]

I'm always mindful of the people around me when I stand. If the people behind me stand up, then I'll stand up. But I'm not going to piss everyone in my section off just so I can stand and yell. Are you really any louder standing than sitting?

Like I said before, I used to go to games with my grandfather. He's 85 and has had tickets for over 50 years. Are you saying he should have to stand all game because some idiot in front of him thinks it's cool to stand up all game? Is he more of a fan because he's standing?

[skinfan2k]

if you want the stand the entire game, go to the standing room. I mean I love getting excited but there is no reason to stand unless everyone else is doing it or its a critical point of the game

[Popeman38]

if you want the stand the entire game, go to the standing room. I mean I love getting excited but there is no reason to stand unless everyone else is doing it or its a critical point of the game

Like I said, if the entire LL stands when on defense and yells, WE create a homefield advantage. If we sit and text or gossip or play angry birds or talk on the phone or try to find someone you know 24 sections away in the UL, we have a sterile environment. Anyone been to a game in Pittsburgh? They stand on D, almost the entire LL. In Seattle the LL stands. In major college stadiums, they stand (Texas, Oregon VT, the entire SEC, Michigan, Ohio St, USC, FSU, I can continue). In RFK, we stood. I remember my dad taking me to a game in the 80's. I had to stand on my seat and hold his shoulder to see ANYTHING when the D was on the field. RFK is what taught me how to act as a fan. Stand and yell on D, sit and rest on O and celebrate big plays. Never miss a play. Have to pee? streak for the bathroom about 10 seconds before the 2 minute warning or end of quarter. You would beat 95% of the people and be back before the next play. Be in your seat for kickoff of [I] both[/] halves. At FedEx, 70% of the stadium is in the concourse at second half kickoff.

[RVAbrendan]

I'm always mindful of the people around me when I stand. If the people behind me stand up, then I'll stand up. But I'm not going to piss everyone in my section off just so I can stand and yell. Are you really any louder standing than sitting?

Like I said before, I used to go to games with my grandfather. He's 85 and has had tickets for over 50 years. Are you saying he should have to stand all game because some idiot in front of him thinks it's cool to stand up all game? Is he more of a fan because he's standing?

This is pretty much how I feel. I'm also a tall dude, so I've always been a little mindful of people behind me, whether it's at a sporting event or concert.

I'm glad they put in the standing room sections at FedEx...pretty cool.

[DC9]

DC9 - twisting the argument every which way you can, sidetracking whenever possible.
If you want to stand the whole game fine, be my guest. But don't hide from the fact that your behavior is selfish, own it.
Finally, thinking that just because you paid for your seat you're entitled to inconvenience others (who have also paid for their seat) says a lot about you.

I'm in row 29 of the 400's... that is the top of the stadium tshile. There is no one behind me to bother me or for me to bother. I do that so that there is no one behind me. I love my seats. I will be moving down next year because I want to start bringing my son to the games next year, and that's a rough walk... but I plan to sit there because of my habits. Maybe next year I will see things more your way.

And I don't believe I'm twisting your arguments, I'm just making sure you understand your inconsistancies is all. Like I said, I respect a lot of what you put on here. That's where I started this latest chain and that's where I'll end it. #nobeef

[BeastfromtheEast]

Every time I go to a game, my experience depends on the people sitting around me. Maybe it's because I don't have season tickets and only attend a few games a year, but I'm pumped the minute I enter the stadium. I don't come to sit. I come to be loud and support my team. Leave your old legs at home sitting on the couch.