Republican Senator Calls Out President Bush

[Fergasun]

This is what the mainstream media won't write about. One of the few Republican Senators willing to embrace conservative values is calling out Bush. In fact, Bush is caught up in a web of lies to the American people.

What the President said on Monday night:

Therefore, I support a temporary worker program that would create a legal path for foreign workers to enter our country in an orderly way, for a limited period of time. This program would match willing foreign workers with willing American employers for jobs Americans are not doing. Every worker who applies for the program would be required to pass criminal background checks. And temporary workers must return to their home country at the conclusion of their stay.

The last sentence is plain as day.

These are remarks from Alabama Jr. Senator Sessions on the Senate floor on Friday. He is the one calling doomsday about 200+ new immigrants... however the actual number is ~ 66 million new immigrants (in addition to the 12 million who will be legalized).

In fact, if you read the bill, you will discover there has been a studied and carefully carried out plan to conceal how many people will come in under the temporary guest worker programs when, in fact, what they mislabel as a temporary program is in fact a permanent worker program that leads on a direct path to citizenship in fairly short order.

He is absolutely correct that the "temporary program" is a "permanent worker" program, because it will allow the workers to apply and permanent resident green cards. If you don't buy this, spend some time reviewing the Senate debate. The new guest workers are actually low-skilled and the current bill gives them more protections and is better than the H1B program for higher skilled workers (I wish DjTj could verify this... but I think he's doing finals or something).

We have an agreement here struck between the Chamber of Commerce and some political activist groups to move this bill through, and they are not concerned sufficiently about the interests of decent American citizens who may not have the highest skills.

That is quite a charge about the current legislation... yet no headlines! Race baiting is by far a better selling story. For the record, I think this plan stinks... we should allow the 12 million a path to citizenship, but to extend that to new guest workers is ridiculous... we don't owe them jack diddly squat.

Food for thought... Monday the Senate is going to debate and vote on 2 more bills... and I expect a vote on the full bill will be complete by Wednesday, at the very worst I expect this bill to pass the Senate by Friday.

[Sarge]

Sessions for President

[Ancalagon the Black]

This is what the mainstream media won't write about. One of the few Republican Senators willing to embrace conservative values is calling out Bush.

I agree with you that Bush is being duplicitous about immigration, but what's your knock on the mainstream media this time? That it's pro-Bush or doesn't want to admit to cracks in the Republican Party?

[Thiebear]

CNN would never post anything on the GOP having cracks in it .

[Burgold]

Darn it! The Conservative media covering up for Bush again!!! I wish they would allow at least one liberal member into the Conservative hedgemony that is the Media.

[Burgold]

Ah, I get it. I've always thought that the conservatives overdid it with this "liberal" media bull when everyone knows the media is primarily driven by ratings and cash and not policy. It's not that the media is "liberal" It is that it is the conservatives favorite whipping boy and that everything they do not like they blame on their favorite scapegoat.

Remember when we used to think reporters were heroic going into warzones without weapons? Remember when we used to honor reporters for attempting to bring to light corruption and risk jail or harm? These days, it's in vogue to beat up the messenger when it's the message we find troublesome.

[Thiebear]

Ah, I get it. I've always thought that the liberals overdid it with this "Faux News" media bull when everyone knows the media is primarily driven by ratings and cash and not policy. It's not that the Fox is "conservative" It is that it is the liberals favorite whipping boy and that everything they do not like they blame on their favorite scapegoat.

Again: change just a couple of words...

[Burgold]

If you want, bear. But in the opening premise the thread originator calls out the liberal press for protecting Bush. I rarely see a thread open with that premise from liberals... The other side tends to complain about events and on occasion give too much credence to events that have been too incompletely reported. In my opinon, that is more about a rush to be first than a rush to judgement. The Media pursues ratings and money more than any specific political agenda. They are wolves or sharks who go into a frenzy if they scent blood.

Remember Dukakis. Remember Kerry's boatmen. Remember Clinton. Political affiliation doesn't stop the attacks.

[Destino]

What's the problem with putting workers that can come here find gainful employment and support themselves on the path to legal status?

[Thiebear]

What's the problem with putting workers that can come here find gainful employment and support themselves on the path to legal status?

Nothing: legally...
edit: Illegally means they end up:
Stealing others Social Security numbers
Driving uninsured and either leaving the scene or not being covered..
Driving without a license and doing 55mph driving everyone crazy .
Forging documents all over the place...
Working for wages nobody over 18 should have to work for.
Getting into criminal activity they wouldnt have to if legal...

[Destino]

Nothing: legally...
edit: Illegally means they end up:
Stealing others Social Security numbers
Driving uninsured and either leaving the scene or not being covered..
Driving without a license and doing 55mph driving everyone crazy .
Forging documents all over the place...
Working for wages nobody over 18 should have to work for.
Getting into criminal activity they wouldnt have to if legal...

I hear what you are saying and I agree the current state of things is bad. My comment however was a reaction to this statement...

He is absolutely correct that the "temporary program" is a "permanent worker" program, because it will allow the workers to apply and permanent resident green cards.

I don't see the concern here - nor do I understand this problem with low skilled workers. It seems people have a disconnect with reality in terms of low skilled immigrants. Rush Limbaugh and conservatives in congress are telling people that we only want the best and brightest and we want those as well, but the fact that most of 10 million illegals are working and that businesses have never stopped communicating the need for more unskilled/low skilled immigration tells me that there is a great need. So I don't understand the problem here. If you have a need, fill it. Right? Seems like simple economics to me.

[BURGUNDYBLEEDER]

I don't see the concern here - nor do I understand this problem with low skilled workers. It seems people have a disconnect with reality in terms of low skilled immigrants. Rush Limbaugh and conservatives in congress are telling people that we only want the best and brightest and we want those as well, but the fact that most of 10 million illegals are working and that businesses have never stopped communicating the need for more unskilled/low skilled immigration tells me that there is a great need. So I don't understand the problem here. If you have a need, fill it. Right? Seems like simple economics to me.

The problem is that the demand only exists because current immigration laws are not being enforced which is allowing many employers to rely on labor that earns less than mimumum wage. It is not much different than using child labor, slave labor, etc. (if as in many countries around the world it is either legal or the government turns a blind eye to it). Again the point being that in the US employers are not allowed to use illegal labor that will work (even if willingly) for less than they are legally allowed to. The government is allowing this to happen and has for a long time. The result is that businesses get used to (reliant on) cheap defacto legal labor which has created the appearance of this great demand for the labor. Does the demand exist? Yes. Is it legal? No. It is a demand only because we do not enforce the law.

[wskin44]

There is an economic opportunity here for both the U.S. and Mexico. The problem is that rather than having control of it, massive immigration is being forced down our throats because we don't control our borders. Immigration (even in large numbers) may be a good thing, but the American people are not being given a chance to have that debate because destitute people are pouring across our borders.

[Destino]

The problem is that the demand only exists because current immigration laws are not being enforced which is allowing many employers to rely on labor that earns less than mimumum wage. It is not much different than using child labor, slave labor, etc. (if as in many countries around the world it is either legal or the government turns a blind eye to it). Again the point being that in the US employers are not allowed to use illegal labor that will work (even if willingly) for less than they are legally allowed to. The government is allowing this to happen and has for a long time. The result is that businesses get used to (reliant on) cheap defacto legal labor which has created the appearance of this great demand for the labor. Does the demand exist? Yes. Is it legal? No. It is a demand only because we do not enforce the law.

It's hard to say who is getting paid what - but I have worked with construction companies and what I heard from them was different. The guys didn't get less the min wage, in part because that would be a bigger violation then just employing illegals. Also businesses are in favor of a worker program - why would they be if they needed less the legal wages?

[SkinsHokieFan]

It's hard to say who is getting paid what - but I have worked with construction companies and what I heard from them was different. The guys didn't get less the min wage, in part because that would be a bigger violation then just employing illegals. Also businesses are in favor of a worker program - why would they be if they needed less the legal wages?

Dead on.

I have never paid anyone less then 10 dollars an hour. On average, painters DEMAND at least 15, friggin painters, and this year some are asking for 17

In my 5 years in home repair I have never heard of anyone asking for or getting less then 10