Anything MMA, except thumb wrestling

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

My problem is that Randy was sitting on his couch "retired" after losing 2 of his last three and 3 of his last 5; he hadn't fought at heavyweight in years, and Dana handed him a shot at the heavyweight title and a new contract. He fights twice under his new deal and then walks because he only wants to fight Fedor. Guess what? Fedor wasn't signed to the UFC when Randy came back. He wasn't even on his radar. All of the sudden Randy beats Sylvia (who no one has ever really loved as a fighter) and a guy with only one notable win on his record in Gabriel Gonzaga, then Randy annoints himself as the clear cut number 2 fighter in the world and that Fedor is the only guy deserving to fight him.
Nog and Barnett would both kill Randy and he knows it.

I wouldn't say Nog would kill Randy in the octagon. If Heath Herring can soccer kick Nog in the noggin, Randy can surely handle his business. It IS a different game in the octagon, and we know Randy is great against that fence. It'd be a tough fight to predict, but Randy knows how to prepare for cats to in order to beat them. Barnett doesn't really impress me. Yeah he beat Randy 4 years ago, but he was caught with steroids in his system after that bout. He then left like a ***** and fought some softies in Pride. Lost to Cro Cop 3 times.

I don't think Randy is in any rush to get these fights in. Dana gave him the red carpet to fight Sylvia, yeah. But in a way, Randy was doing Dana and the UFC a favor by bringing anything but Sylvia vs. Arlovski. For the love of God, nobody should be thanking anybody but the UFC to Randy. That division was asleep until he became champion and Gonzaga fwapped one upside Crocop's head. Now, he is taking out a personal vendetta against the UFC and Dana for something he believes in. And it's becoming clear that he's right.

Again, Randy should be let off the hook with his contract. The man turns 45 this year. It would be a sour note for him to lose to a Big Nog or Barnett for simply giving a contender a title shot. He wants to do the right thing and see who is the best in the sport, then get out. It's like if the Patriots just keep playing teams in the AFC until Tom Brady retires. Play the Super Bowl, for god's sake.

[mvisit1]

I agree with everything you said except about the Patriots. The AFC is the more dominant conference and the NFC is always the underdog. They might as well give them the Lombardi trophy now.

[Sebowski]

I wouldn't say Nog would kill Randy in the octagon. If Heath Herring can soccer kick Nog in the noggin, Randy can surely handle his business. It IS a different game in the octagon, and we know Randy is great against that fence. It'd be a tough fight to predict, but Randy knows how to prepare for cats to in order to beat them. Barnett doesn't really impress me. Yeah he beat Randy 4 years ago, but he was caught with steroids in his system after that bout. He then left like a ***** and fought some softies in Pride. Lost to Cro Cop 3 times.

I don't think Randy is in any rush to get these fights in. Dana gave him the red carpet to fight Sylvia, yeah. But in a way, Randy was doing Dana and the UFC a favor by bringing anything but Sylvia vs. Arlovski. For the love of God, nobody should be thanking anybody but the UFC to Randy. That division was asleep until he became champion and Gonzaga fwapped one upside Crocop's head. Now, he is taking out a personal vendetta against the UFC and Dana for something he believes in. And it's becoming clear that he's right.

Again, Randy should be let off the hook with his contract. The man turns 45 this year. It would be a sour note for him to lose to a Big Nog or Barnett for simply giving a contender a title shot. He wants to do the right thing and see who is the best in the sport, then get out. It's like if the Patriots just keep playing teams in the AFC until Tom Brady retires. Play the Super Bowl, for god's sake.

You need to do some research on what happened with Barnett and the steroids. You say he doesn't impress you. I am curious to know what fights of his you have watched. Please let me know. You mentioned him losing to Cro Cop 3 times. Did you see those fights? Suffered an injury in one. The last one was at the end of the GP where Barnett was coming off a war with Nog in the same night and Cro Cop was as fresh as could be. Randy has zero advantages over Barnett. Can't hang on his fight, and certainly can't hang on the ground with him.
Herring landing one kick on Nog. A kick that would have knocked out most of the division. Everyone gets caught. He rebounded and won the fight. How you can hold that against him is beyond me.
Randy vs. Fedor would NOT answer anything. Randy is NOT the number 2 in the world. He is 16-8. with one top ten win in the last 5 years (Sylvia. Jury is still out on Gonzaga). Randy and his people have done a wonderful job in the publicity department. They have everyone believing he is the number two guy in the world when he hasn't earned it. It wasn't even that long ago that Randy struggled with Mike Van Arsdale.

[StillUnknown]

You need to do some research on what happened with Barnett and the steroids. You say he doesn't impress you. I am curious to know what fights of his you have watched. Please let me know. You mentioned him losing to Cro Cop 3 times. Did you see those fights? Suffered an injury in one. The last one was at the end of the GP where Barnett was coming off a war with Nog in the same night and Cro Cop was as fresh as could be. Randy has zero advantages over Barnett. Can't hang on his fight, and certainly can't hang on the ground with him.
Herring landing one kick on Nog. A kick that would have knocked out most of the division. Everyone gets caught. He rebounded and won the fight. How you can hold that against him is beyond me.
Randy vs. Fedor would NOT answer anything. Randy is NOT the number 2 in the world. He is 16-8. with one top ten win in the last 5 years (Sylvia. Jury is still out on Gonzaga). Randy and his people have done a wonderful job in the publicity department. They have everyone believing he is the number two guy in the world when he hasn't earned it. It wasn't even that long ago that Randy struggled with Mike Van Arsdale.

i'm with you 100%.

i respect and admire Randy as a fighter, but as good as he is, people overrate him.

[Dance04]

I still respect the HELL out of randy for whooping ass at 44 years old. Overrated or not, dudes a beast.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

You need to do some research on what happened with Barnett and the steroids. You say he doesn't impress you. I am curious to know what fights of his you have watched. Please let me know. You mentioned him losing to Cro Cop 3 times. Did you see those fights? Suffered an injury in one. The last one was at the end of the GP where Barnett was coming off a war with Nog in the same night and Cro Cop was as fresh as could be. Randy has zero advantages over Barnett. Can't hang on his fight, and certainly can't hang on the ground with him.
Herring landing one kick on Nog. A kick that would have knocked out most of the division. Everyone gets caught. He rebounded and won the fight. How you can hold that against him is beyond me.
Randy vs. Fedor would NOT answer anything. Randy is NOT the number 2 in the world. He is 16-8. with one top ten win in the last 5 years (Sylvia. Jury is still out on Gonzaga). Randy and his people have done a wonderful job in the publicity department. They have everyone believing he is the number two guy in the world when he hasn't earned it. It wasn't even that long ago that Randy struggled with Mike Van Arsdale.

How am I supposed to research what happened to Barnett and 'roids, go up to him and take a blood sample? Is this another one of those, "they put 'roids in my supplements" deals? Guess what, everyone suffers injuries in fights. But they keep on fighting. I know he got a bad one against Cro Cop, but maybe he should do a few more situps so that **** doesn't happen. And Barnett's ground game didn't look that good against Cro Cop who is atrocious on the ground.

For the record, I saw him fight Fedors brother, Mark Hunt, Pawel Nastula, the Cro Cop fight where it went to a decision, and his last one against Nog. You wanna talk about Mike Van Arsdale? Pawel Nastula is 1-3. ONE AND THREE. Barnett had to get to the second round to put him in a toe hold. Everyone gets caught? Everyone has bad nights, too.

Big nog didn't just get caught, he should have lost that fight. He was about 95% knocked out. He was more KO'd than Chuck was when Rampage stuck him. It was Herring's fault he didn't go after him. 27-13 Heath Herring, who struggled with Giant Silva. Everybody will struggle with a bum from time to time. So don't try bringing Randy's luster down because of Mike Van Arsdale. Do you think any of these cats would do any better at age 42? We'll see.

It doesn't matter if Peyton Manning is a better quarterback than his brother - he should have won his last football game. Now ELI is the one that gets the shot at being a champion. As far as I'm concerned, Barnett lost his last fight, Big Nog underperformed in his majorly-hyped UFC debute, and while Randy got a free title shot - it's all the UFC could have hoped for at that time. A little common sense has to come in to play here, too. Randy is 44 and throwing cats around the ring...give the man a break. It's not like we're trying to say he's the #1 guy, it's just that people get mad that he's the champion and it's like -- duh. This is news, he can be beat by a younger guy.

The point is, no matter what would happen with Barnett or Nog against him, it's time for him to go smoke his grandfather pipe with his grandson on his lap. He wants one more fight, unify the Pride and UFC belts, and get out. He didn't bust his ass at 44 to just fade out with a struggle against a contender. He knew where it would get him and now he's going to pretend he's 33 again? Randy knows where he stands, he's got one last push.

And I dunno what Randy's "people" have done, they didn't get the belt for him. Randy has the belt, simple as that. Nobody thinks he's the number 2 guy in the world...we just want to see him give one last push. And I think if he puts every last drop of gas he has in to his next fight, it won't be easy for anybody.

i'm with you 100%.

i respect and admire Randy as a fighter, but as good as he is, people overrate him.

I dunno about overrate. Who says he's #2? We just want Randy to give it all he's got and go after a guy who we think he's earned a shot at. It's not that we overrate him as much as we admire his heart.

And don't worry guys, the "interim" belt will be won a week from now...and will eventually become the official belt when Randy's contract expires. You guys make me want to route for Tim.

[herrmag]

Again, Randy should be let off the hook with his contract. The man turns 45 this year. It would be a sour note for him to lose to a Big Nog or Barnett for simply giving a contender a title shot. He wants to do the right thing and see who is the best in the sport, then get out. It's like if the Patriots just keep playing teams in the AFC until Tom Brady retires. Play the Super Bowl, for god's sake.

Why? The only reason anyone thinks that he is a good HW is because the UFC allowed him to fight Sylvia. So now they should allow him to walk and give some other organization all of the money for the featured fight? That makes 0 business sense. He signed a contract. He should be MAN enough to live up to it, or STFU and retire. Sorry, I've lost tons of respect for Randy over this. Dana may very well be a jackass, but he's doing nothing wrong in expecting a fighter to live up to their end of the deal.

[#98QBKiller]

Ricco Rodriguez talking **** about Kimbo slice:


http://www.mmafightline.com/news/200...e_314532.shtml

Didn't Rodriguez get booted out of the UFC for cocaine use?

[StillUnknown]

Showtime EliteXC comes on tonight. its basically a show that allows propsects coming up in mma to get a little exposure. nobody major will on the cards, but the couple of times i've watched in the past, the fights have usually been good.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

Why? The only reason anyone thinks that he is a good HW is because the UFC allowed him to fight Sylvia. So now they should allow him to walk and give some other organization all of the money for the featured fight? That makes 0 business sense. He signed a contract. He should be MAN enough to live up to it, or STFU and retire. Sorry, I've lost tons of respect for Randy over this. Dana may very well be a jackass, but he's doing nothing wrong in expecting a fighter to live up to their end of the deal.

That's right, let him go after the feature fight since they couldn't land Fedor. They would be able to talk about how Fedor is scared of the UFC, that he probably does 'roids, that he fights Andre the Giant's cousins. We all know the UFC is where it's at, Randy leaving and chasing Fedor would probably only make the UFC look good. He could represent outside of the organization if they supported his decision. Support your fighters with their career decisions, it's like Randy held their good name by the balls or something and they were afraid to lose their 90 year old champion.

Should Joe Gibbs MAN up to his contract? Is he less of a man because age got to him? Sorry, but when your window is about to close you have to make decisions for yourself more than anybody. If Snyder was a screwball like Dana, Gibbs would have probably let the fans know about it in one way or another. Randy, in my mind, is leading a revolution to get Dana to MAN UP and pay these guys that could and should all whip his cocky, greedy ass.

[Chachie]

Showtime EliteXC comes on tonight. its basically a show that allows propsects coming up in mma to get a little exposure. nobody major will on the cards, but the couple of times i've watched in the past, the fights have usually been good.

I've been watching the event, Still. Nice bouts. I didn't know anyone on the card except one of the women. I had seen her lose once but she won tonight. Tonya Evinger. Anyway, all the fights have been pretty good.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

I've been watching the event, Still. Nice bouts. I didn't know anyone on the card except one of the women. I had seen her lose once but she won tonight. Tonya Evinger. Anyway, all the fights have been pretty good.

Darn, hopefully the replay is up. Always great to see catfights!!!

[herrmag]

That's right, let him go after the feature fight since they couldn't land Fedor. They would be able to talk about how Fedor is scared of the UFC, that he probably does 'roids, that he fights Andre the Giant's cousins. We all know the UFC is where it's at, Randy leaving and chasing Fedor would probably only make the UFC look good. He could represent outside of the organization if they supported his decision. Support your fighters with their career decisions, it's like Randy held their good name by the balls or something and they were afraid to lose their 90 year old champion.

Should Joe Gibbs MAN up to his contract? Is he less of a man because age got to him? Sorry, but when your window is about to close you have to make decisions for yourself more than anybody. If Snyder was a screwball like Dana, Gibbs would have probably let the fans know about it in one way or another. Randy, in my mind, is leading a revolution to get Dana to MAN UP and pay these guys that could and should all whip his cocky, greedy ass.

So you hand a competitor THE superfight of the year on a silver platter? That makes no sense. As far as revolutions go; Where was this revolution when he signed the ****ing contract? Randy is now a pre-madonna, just like so many other athletes once they reach a certain point of stardom. The sheer fact that he doesn't recognize his responsibility to HONOR his contract exemplifies that.

The Gibbs analogy is a terrible one, btw. Gibbs is RETIRING, not leaving to go and coach the New England Patriots for one last shot at a big payday. Like I said, if Randy wants to retire, then he should. Some people can't seem to see the difference between personal emotion and business, and I think this crops up more so in MMA than any other sport (except for maybe the NFL). HE SIGNED THE CONTRACT. Just because you "like" him doesn't mean he is absolved from it. Hell, before Dana let him fight Sylvia he was nothing more than an ex-heavyweight that hadn't accomplished squat in the division in years (I'm excluding his LHW career because it is not relevant to the "who is the best HW in the world" argument).

[Dance04]

The problem I have with the whole randy situtation is this:

He complained because the UFC wasn't signing Fedor. He was mad because they weren't doing "all they could"

So the UFC goes out and offers Fedor more money then Randy, (which is doing all they can) then Randy is all like

"Hey wtf? Your offering him more money then me, the champ? That's disrespectful."

Seems to me like it was just an excuse to leave the UFC

[#98QBKiller]

As far as the Randy thing goes, I don't care about all of the UFC drama. I want to see Randy fight Fedor, or at least see Fedor fight a good heavyweight.

Fedor hasn't fought a decent heavyweight since 2006. And he hasn't fought a top-tier heavyweight since he fought Cro Cop in 2005.

I still believe that Fedor is the greatest pound-for-pound fighter on the planet, BUT he has to stop fighting these freakshows with no MMA ability like Zulu and Hong-Man Choi, and start fighting top-ten heavyweights.

Now, a lot of the best HWs are in the UFC but there are a few that are not in the UFC that M1 needs to think about promoting for Fedor including: Josh Barnett, Randy, Ben Rothwell.

I know Fedor wants to fight the best HWs in the world, but M1/Bodog are doing him a disservice by having him fight guys like Matt Lindland and these 7 ft. freakshow cans.