Anything MMA, except thumb wrestling

[Chachie]

Yep Frank was dumb to try and stand with him. And if Le had one punch/kick KO power he'd be a top 5-10 MW.

Good fight though.

In fairness, 99- He broke a bone.

I'd call him a top 10 MW but I don't wanna get into a list. It's saturday night.

[#98QBKiller]

In fairness, 99- He broke a bone.

I'd call him a top 10 MW but I don't wanna get into a list. It's saturday night.

I wouldn't completely disagree that he's a top 10, def not a top 5 though.

[#98QBKiller]

National Geographic's "Fight Science"

Anyone see this? Found it on Sherdog, apparently Randy's endurance is 10x better than the average person, and his blows generate double the force of a HW boxers best punch??!

It also says that the force of Bas Rutten's kick is equivalent to a 35-mph car crash?

http://smallscreen.monstersandcritic..._Ops_a_no_miss

From Monsters and Critics.com

Smallscreen Features
Nat Geo’s Fight Science: Mixed Martial Arts and Special Ops a no miss
By M&C Smallscreen
Jan 15, 2008, 1:22 GMT



Building on the success and popularity of the original, the National Geographic Channel (NGC) premieres two new episodes of Fight Science on Sunday, January 27, 2008, beginning at 8 p.m. ET/PT.


The ancient warriors handed down secrets through the ages, of every conceivable fight style known to man today. National Geographic unlocks the real impact and inner workings of man's art of physical combat in the new series, "Fight Science."

MMA, boxing and wrestling fans will love this revelation of the mechanics of the punch, kick and throw.

One group consists of some of the most highly trained athletes on the planet, capable of delivering lethal blows with lightning speed as champions from one of the world's most popular sports.


The other group includes elite, superbly conditioned soldiers who must deliver peak performance with only a moment's notice, under the most adverse, hostile conditions.

Each stretches the limits of the human body in the pursuit of extreme physical challenges. What can science show us about the true extent of their abilities and their comparative strengths, advantages and limitations?

Building on the success and popularity of the original, the National Geographic Channel (NGC) premieres two new episodes of Fight Science on Sunday, January 27, 2008, beginning at 8 p.m. ET/PT.

First, Fight Science: Mixed Martial Arts reveals the astonishing data behind the athletic capabilities of legendary mixed martial arts (MMA) fighters, including controversial Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) heavyweight champion Randy Couture.

Then, at 9 p.m. ET/PT, Fight Science: Special Ops brings together a team of the world's best special operatives to reveal the science behind how these supersoldiers redefine the upper limits of human performance and thrive in high-threat environments.

Fight Science brings together leading scientists, motion-capture specialists and CGI animators to test these fighters in a state-of-the-art studio that is part gym, part high-tech lab and part studio.

Deploying dozens of infrared motion-capture cameras, high-definition cameras and ultra-high-speed cameras, the studio allows scientists — including Randy Kelly, an automotive crash testing and human-injury expert, Dr. Cindy Bir, an impact injury expert, and David Sandler, a sport physiologist — to measure and map the speed, force, range and impact of muscles and bones in the fighters' bodies.

The motion-capture technique, requiring reflective markers over the fighters' entire bodies, allows for sophisticated real-time three-dimensional models (seen in films like "Lord of the Rings"). These results are combined with other data to create separate sophisticated animations of the fighters' bones, muscles and nerves.

Fight Science juxtaposes the fighters' real-life movements with their animated selves for extraordinary insight into exactly how the body generates each move in real time.

Fight Science: Mixed Martial Arts
Sunday, January 27, at 8 p.m. ET/PT

At the pinnacle of mixed martial arts is the UFC, which has sought to legitimize MMA in a league that has become a pop culture phenomenon. The sport requires a display of strategy, knowledge of anatomy and superb conditioning. MMA fighters master a broad range of martial arts disciplines so that they can strategically deploy elements from each style. At any moment, fighters can draw upon a wide range of tactics, such as lightning-fast punches used in boxing, knee strikes used by a karate master, elbow blows displayed in kung fu or grappling practices perfected by Brazilian jiu-jitsu artists.


"I think MMA athletes are the best athletes on the planet," says Couture. "If you consider their conditioning, the discipline and all the things that go into making one of these athletes, there are not a lot of people that can do what we do."






Fight Science: Mixed Martial Arts analyzes the unique fighting styles and capabilities of legendary fighters like Couture, former UFC heavyweight champion Bas Rutten, former UFC light heavyweight champion Tito Ortiz and two-time world submission grappling champion Dean Lister. The results show the comparative strengths, advantages and limitations of each technique these fighters may use during combat. Among the results, scientists determine that Rutten's kick generates a force equivalent to a 35-mph car crash, and Couture's endurance is nearly 10 times better than that of the average person and his blows generate double the force of a heavyweight boxer's best punch.






"I've been doing crash testing for the last 20 years, and I've never seen these kinds of numbers," says Kelly. "I would never have believed it if I hadn't been here to see it."

Fight Science: Special Ops
Sunday, January 27, at 9 p.m. ET/PT

Special operations are elite military units trained for unconventional warfare, often to execute dangerous, covert missions behind enemy lines. The soldiers must excel beyond normal human capabilities, displaying superior physiology and extraordinary mental ability. This is evident in the strength and stamina of U.S. Navy SEALs, the speed and focus of U.S. Green Berets and the lightning reflexes of Israeli Commandos. Unlike athletes, who prepare for a scheduled competition under controlled conditions, these elite soldiers must excel in ruthless situations that can become deadly without warning. Now, in Fight Science: Special Ops, these warrior athletes are put to the test by science and cutting-edge technologies to exhibit their maximum capabilities under the most adverse circumstances. Some of their superhuman abilities studied include how a former Navy SEAL can withstand hypothermia while submerged in 50 degree water without compromising his ability to complete an obstacle course; and how a member of Israel's most elite Commando unit can ace agility and firearm tests while withstanding a 104 degree fever and losing 3 percent of his body weight.

Fight Science is produced by Base Productions, Inc., for the National Geographic Channel. For Base Productions, Inc., executive producers are Mickey Stern and John Brenkus. For the National Geographic Channel, executive producer is Chris Valentini and senior vice president of production and development is Juliet Blake.




© Copyright 2007 by monstersandcritics.com.
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[Dance04]

so who did I bet with that le would beat shamrock? Was it chachie? I cant remember and im too lazy to go through all the pages and find out!

[Chachie]

so who did I bet with that le would beat shamrock? Was it chachie? I cant remember and im too lazy to go through all the pages and find out!

Although I thought for sure Shamrock would win, I didn't make any bets because I can't stand the guy. A bet won on him isn't a prize I'd want to collect.

I should say though, that I was impressed with the way he hung in until his arm was broken. He was successful at pulling Le into his mind games and for about 45 secs in the 3rd round he made it work and almost KOed Le.

The more I think about last night's fight, the higher I want to rank Le in the top 10. Frank is a jerk, but he's a badazz. Cung Le dismantled a legend last night and survived a pretty good final stand by Shamrock before breaking his arm and pummeling him on the cage at the end of the round and subsequently the end of the fight.

[StillUnknown]

Although I thought for sure Shamrock would win, I didn't make any bets because I can't stand the guy. A bet won on him isn't a prize I'd want to collect.

I should say though, that I was impressed with the way he hung in until his arm was broken. He was successful at pulling Le into his mind games and for about 45 secs in the 3rd round he made it work and almost KOed Le.

The more I think about last night's fight, the higher I want to rank Le in the top 10. Frank is a jerk, but he's a badazz. Cung Le dismantled a legend last night and survived a pretty good final stand by Shamrock before breaking his arm and pummeling him on the cage at the end of the round and subsequently the end of the fight.

he dismantled a past his prime legend. Cung Le's one of my favorite fighters, but he still hasn't beat or even faced a top10 middleweight yet

[Chachie]

he dismantled a past his prime legend. Cung Le's one of my favorite fighters, but he still hasn't beat or even faced a top10 middleweight yet

I suppose he'd have to try his hand in the UFC before we find out. I know Frank has seen better days but he throttled Baroni and showed last night that he's still got heavy hands and resourcefulness. Cung is said to have been very effective vs. Frank as a sparring partner too when Shamrock was better.

BTW- It was a night of KOs and subs all around. Props to Strikeforce for a good show.

[StillUnknown]

I suppose he'd have to try his hand in the UFC before we find out. I know Frank has seen better days but he throttled Baroni and showed last night that he's still got heavy hands and resourcefulness. Cung is said to have been very effective vs. Frank as a sparring partner too when Shamrock was better.

BTW- It was a night of KOs and subs all around. Props to Strikeforce for a good show.

Beating Baroni doesn't mean much, lets not forget that Shammy was losing to Renzo Gracie before the knees to the head got him DQ'd.

i still don't understand why didn't even try to put Le on the ground, even as he was losing the stand-up battle.

[Chachie]

i still don't understand why didn't even try to put Le on the ground, even as he was losing the stand-up battle.

Me too. I suppose his ego was his undoing. He beat Baroni at Baroni's game and wanted to do the same with Cung Le. I'm just glad he got brutally beat and had to quit so there was zero excuses.

[Sebowski]

[QUOTE=Chachie]I suppose he'd have to try his hand in the UFC before we find out.
/QUOTE]

Not really. There are plenty of good middleweights outside the UFC. Strikeforce and EliteXC even has some of them.
Trigg
Lawler
Ninja
Kang
Lindland
Misaki
Villasenor


As far as Le being in the top ten I think people are getting ahead of themselves. Does anybody think Sonnen wouldn't crush him? I'd take Lawler and Trigg over Le anyday. I might even take Villasenor over him.

[Dance04]

[QUOTE=Sebowski]

I suppose he'd have to try his hand in the UFC before we find out.
/QUOTE]

Not really. There are plenty of good middleweights outside the UFC. Strikeforce and EliteXC even has some of them.
Trigg
Lawler
Ninja
Kang
Lindland
Misaki
Villasenor


As far as Le being in the top ten I think people are getting ahead of themselves. Does anybody think Sonnen wouldn't crush him? I'd take Lawler and Trigg over Le anyday. I might even take Villasenor over him.

le would smoke trigg. Him vs lawler would be a great fight.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

As far as the Shamrock/Le fight, it was a good fight. Le won that fight by introducing a style I don't think I've ever seen. He was essentially using sheer boxing technique with his feet. Jabbing with the side kicks, body and head shots were like hooks. Just kept coming and coming. Le won the fight with those side kicks.

People will point to an "unfortunate" broken wrist for Shamrock, but that is a legit TKO in my eyes. Le broke it because Shamrock couldn't get away from blocking them. 100% win for Le, no excuses. Shamrock was graceful in defeat.

People will always point out Shamrock's arrogance, but it brings a great element to the fight. Always have liked fighters like Sakuraba, Rampage and Frank...have always liked that loose comfort fighters show while they're in there. Still admire Frank, hope to see a rematch.

[StillUnknown]

[QUOTE=Dance04]

le would smoke trigg. Him vs lawler would be a great fight.

trigg would be smart enough to take him down, although if it stayed on the feet, Cung wins easily.

[Sebowski]

[QUOTE=Dance04]

le would smoke trigg. Him vs lawler would be a great fight.

You don't think Trigg could take Le down, or you think he has enough ground game to get back to his feet and knock him out?
I'd bet on Trigg in that one.

[Chachie]

People will always point out Shamrock's arrogance, but it brings a great element to the fight. Always have liked fighters like Sakuraba, Rampage and Frank...have always liked that loose comfort fighters show while they're in there. Still admire Frank, hope to see a rematch.

Gotta admit it. It makes me watch him every time he fights. He brings a magic.