espn's highlight of the fight was pretty funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaGvOwMUEU
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wow, this thread turned a lot in to like my phone did with text messages. a grip of people being really agro (including myself) and a lot of name caling and general hostility. i am glad it is over.
i finally talked to slacky and we made it to the same page.
i paid off sebowski 2 fold last night and it was worth it. good times bro
[quote=d0ublestr0ker0ll;5830102]But Brock hasn't faced a kickboxer, and has been knee barred. Yes, by a jiu jitsu expert, but kneebars are rare to see nowadays. Brock faces challenges against jiu jitsu fighters if he doesn't gain dominant positions to release his instantanious fury. He has seemed to pick up transitions on the ground outsandingly. His transitions against Herring came with ease. And his move to side control against Mir was incredible. But Randy got up after he was taken down. If little Randy can get himself out from under 275 lbs, I think Lesnar is at risk of getting swept or guillotined if the fight is stalled on the ground.[quote]
heath herring is a kickboxer. his kickboxing was good enough to drop noguiera twice, and beat check kongo. also, nogueira was kneebarred by ricco rodriguez. what does that mean? it means you cant play mmath, especially with heavyweights. you cannot compare a wrestlers inate ability to get out from bottom with a jiujitsu fighter. it is night and day. just because randy did it, doesnt mean noguira or mir can. weight doesnt play into getting out from bottom, simple positioning does. the same with takedowns. because randy at 220 with literally 40 years of wrestling experience can stuff a takedown and get up, doesnt mean nogueira with no competivie wrestling experience can because he weighs 250.
MAIN EVENT FIGHTERS
– Brock Lesnar ($450,000/win bonus was $200,000) def. Randy Couture ($250,000/win bonus would have been $250,000)
MAIN CARD FIGHTERS
– Kenny Florian ($80,000/win bonus was $40,000) def. Joe Stevenson ($35,000/win bonus would have been $35,000)
– Gabriel Gonzaga ($110,000/win bonus was $55,000) def. Josh Hendricks ($8,000/win bonus would have been $8,000)
– Dustin Hazelett ($28,000/win bonus was $11,000) def. Tamdan McCrory ($10,000/win bonus would have been $10,000)
*Hazelett also earned an extra $60,000 for “UFC 91 Submission of the Night”
– Demian Maia ($40,000/win bonus was $20,000) def. Nate Quarry ($25,000/win bonus would have been $25,000)
PRELIMINARY CARD FIGHTERS
– Aaron Riley ($8,000/win bonus was $4,000) def. Jorge Gurgel ($10,000/win bonus would have been $10,000)
*Each fighter also earned an extra $60,000 for “UFC 91 Fight of the Night”
– Jeremy Stephens ($16,000/win bonus was $8,000) def. Rafael Dos Anjos ($4,000/win bonus would have been $4,000)
*Stephens also earned an extra $60,000 for “UFC 91 Knockout of the Night”
– Mark Bocek ($18,000/win bonus was $9,000) def. Alvin Robinson ($7,000/win bonus would have been $7,000)
– Matt Brown ($16,000/win bonus was $8,000) def. Ryan Thomas ($3,000/win bonus would have been $3,000)
UFC 91 DISCLOSED FIGHTER PAYROLL: $1,118,000
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i think randy & nog have different ways of getting off the ground. randy just doesn't like being there period so he tries to stand up. nog doesn't mind being on his back so he'll sacrifice some damage if it means he can get a better position for a sweep or submission.
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You're right, Herring was a kickboxer, he got friggen kissed before a fight and KO'd that dude, how could I forget.Originally Posted by ozzw
But never did I say that Nog or Mir would want to get up from the bottom, why would they?
I think if Randy found breathing room down there to get back to his feet, it will be 10 times worse if Nog finds the same kind of breathing room and pulls a sub. Brock's size is an advantage when he's on top, if you don't agree then we just have a difference of opinion. My point wasn't that Nog and Mir would want to get out from under Brock. Hell, why would they even try to stuff a takedown? If I were in Nog's corner, I'd tell him to happily pull guard. My point is that Nog and Mir would be able to utilize their jits on a virtual novice of the game. Sure, one of Brock's best bets to finish the fight is to hammerfist to a W, but if he doesn't he might want to get up ASAP. Just a hunch. Otherwise, I see Brock being a dangerous fight for both Mir and Nog.
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i think everybody saw this coming after his last performanceFollowing a disappointing performance in his last fight for World Extreme Cagefighting, MMAWeekly.com has confirmed with sources close to the situation that Paulo Filho has been released from his existing contract and will not make the move to the Ultimate Fighting Championship.
Many of the middleweights and light heavyweights from the WEC roster were expected to make the move after the promotion downsized those two weight classes in order to focus more on the lighter weight classes in the organization.
Filho was undefeated in his mixed martial arts career before dropping a lackluster decision to Chael Sonnen in their rematch earlier in November.
Before moving to the WEC, Filho had been a star in the Pride organization and was expected to make waves at 185 pounds when he began fighting in the United States, but unfortunately at this time he will have to look for a new fight home.
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UFC's White is ready to bring Carano in to the fold
In a sudden change of heart, UFC president Dana White said that he's willing to promote women's fighting. Neil Davidson of the Canadian Press reported that White told fans during a Q & A session in Toronto that he is interested female fighter Gina Carano. White said that he would welcome Carano (pictured on the right) to fight under Zuffa's World Extreme Cagefighting banner:
"Gina Carano is a star, I think she's talented. I think she's got all the tools, so what I'm willing to do is bring Gina into the WEC. We could do fights whenever there's a challenger for Gina. That's how I'll test the waters and see how it goes."
In the past, White has consistently said that he wasn't interested in promoting female MMA:
"I'm not a huge fan of women fighting. Period. Not to say that I don't acknowledge that there are amazing female athletes out there in every sport. I just think right now we had a hard enough time getting over the stigma of the men"
This could be a huge boost for Carano and the WEC. She gets to continue fighting on free television on Versus and the WEC could see a nice ratings boost.
Carano's previous promoter, EliteXC went out of business three weeks ago. Unless there's some unforeseen legal hurdles, Carano is a free agent. On CBS, she was a ratings monsters drawing a combined 10 million-plus viewers in two fights against Kaitlin Young and Kelly Kobold that ranked amongst the top 10 highest viewed fights in mixed martial arts history.
No post about Gina should go without pics
UFC Cuts Fitch; Koscheck, Others Could Follow
Jon Fitch, who went five rounds with UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre in August, received notice Wednesday that the UFC has released him.
MMAMania.com was the first to report the dismissal. Fitch told Hardcore Sports Radio’s “Sports Rage” on Wednesday that he was cut from the promotion after he’d refused to sign an agreement that would have relinquished his likeness rights for a UFC video game.
Fitch said he submitted a signed bout agreement Tuesday to fight Akihiro Gono at UFC 94 on Jan. 31, but the UFC terminated it, along with his promotional contract.
“I had two fights left on my contract, but they always put a clause in the contract that if you lose a fight, they’re able to release you at any time after a loss,” Fitch told “Sports Rage” host Garbriel Morency. “That’s pretty standard with any organization, but it’s pretty incredible that they’d go to those lengths for something like this, over a video game.”
Fitch, a Purdue University wrestling standout, said his refusal to sign the agreement for a UFC video game -- set for release by THQ in 2010 -- wasn’t based on compensation.
“The video game agreement that they have that they wanted us to sign was basically we don‘t get anything for it,” he told Morency. “We get free publicity and promotion from the game, which is great, no problem. The problem is it’s a lifetime exclusive contract. That means we would never ever be able to work with any video game companies other than the one the UFC provides.”
Fitch told Hardcore Sports Radio he was not adverse to the contract necessarily, but in the way it was presented to his management.
“They basically kicked the door open, guns blazing, pointed it in our face and said, ‘Sign this or you’re going to pay,’” Fitch said.
Fitch said that, to his knowledge, UFC President Dana White had given his representatives the ultimatum to sign or be scrapped even though the fighter’s reps tried to negotiate a five or 10-year deal for the video game rights.
In an interview with Yahoo Sports on Wednesday, White said the UFC would no longer do business with the American Kickboxing Academy, Fitch’s San Jose-based fight team.
“We’re looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I’m just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it’s not even funny,” White told Yahoo Sports. “Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren’t partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them.”
Christian Wellisch, an AKA teammate of Fitch, was also released on Wednesday, said Fitch. Wellisch had also received an agreement for a pending bout that was later retracted.
“They cut him from the organization first, I think as kind of a scare for me and [Josh] Koscheck and Cain [Velasquez],” said Fitch. “I guess Cain Velasquez wouldn’t sign under his contract and they we’re saying that after his fight he was done and they weren’t going to re-up his contract. I think the same thing goes for Koscheck. I think they would drop him right now too, if he wasn’t fighting on the 10th, if he wasn’t headlining that show –- so they can’t drop him.”
Koscheck faces Yoshiyuki Yoshida at UFC “Fight for the Troops” on Dec. 10 at the Crown Coliseum in Fayetteville, N.C.
Fitch had won eight straight fights before dropping a gutsy decision to St. Pierre. His undefeated run tied Royce Gracie’s for the most consecutive wins in the UFC.
With his dismissal, Fitch said he will likely lose 75-80 percent of his sponsorship monies. Earlier this year, Fitch and other AKA fighters were asked by the UFC to sign a separate merchandising agreement in perpetuity. Many of the squad declined the offer.
“I never wanted anything more than to fight in the UFC and be a UFC champ,” said Fitch. “I put in a lot of blood and guts and sweat and tears into this and this is my reward I guess.”
Yeah, I heard this about Fitch today. That's really too bad, he was a good fighter who I enjoyed watching. He did not deserve to be cut like that over this type of contract dispute, that's just ridiculous. I wouldn't sign a lifetime contract like that either. Hell no.
Heck, I told my friend it was unwise for him to sign a 5-year contract with a certain organization that had not fully established itself yet. He was just starting his pro career and trying to build up his pro-fight record starting from the bottom up. He has now won a ton of fights and the bigger organizations are interested in him, but he can't maneuver out of his contract for another few years without having to pay a bunch of money he doesn't have.
It just really sucks all around. These MMA organizations know they have the upper hand in contract negotiation because most of these fighters are scrounging for money to support their full-time training. Therefore, they can present a totally lopsided contract that can screw over the fighter in the long-term and they know a lot of fighters have few other choices then to sign. I know that's how business works, I know DW is an astute businessman, but the treatment of fighters in most of these MMA organizations is really crappy IMO.
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I agree Keeastman.
Obviously, it's awful to see this happen to Fitch. I'm wondering if every other fighter signed a contract with the same stipulation. Jon didn't sign it, but does he expect to become the next superhero and have a breakout game on the Xbox 1080 in 10 years? I think being in the next UFC video game is the best he'll do as far as making it in to a video game. But a lifetime contract? That is just sick. How about, a 25 year contract? No? 15? In 15 years Tom Clancy might want Jon to be in a new video game, "Rear Naked Choke". If Fitch were to bolt out of the UFC and be in another video game, I'm sure it wouldn't destroy Dana's empire. Lavar didn't get kicked out of the league when he didn't want to be in video games. Same with Jordan.
Jon most likely refused to sign the best video game deal he'll ever get. But the bottom line is Dana is a moneybagging president making decisions in complete fear.
Losing Fitch and Koscheck knocks out two top-5 guys from the Welterweight division, a division starving for depth.
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