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[skinsfan_1215]

Breaking news: GSP has released his first single

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl-be...e=channel_page

Is this something that I'll watch and lose a ton of respect for the guy? Bc if it is I'm not watching.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

Is this something that I'll watch and lose a ton of respect for the guy? Bc if it is I'm not watching.

He uses a lot of ape technique when laying tracks down.

[Chachie]

I was not impressed by his par form ance.

[NoCalMike]

The thing is though Dana White's match-making is purely for business purposes.

Why do you think he kept trying to keep Liddell in the LHW title picture.

Why do you think Brock got a title shot with a 1-1 UFC record.

Why do you think he went and bailed Rampage out after the hit & run incident.

If GSP is down to fight Silva, and Dana White thinks it will make a ton of money, he will rush to get the fight signed.

He could have told BJ Penn no, and that he had to give Florian a title shot first before fighting GSP, but then he would run the risk of BJ losing and then a superfight with GSP loses all luster.

The UFC needs to come up with a more concrete system or rules and regulations as to just how guys are getting title shots.

1st step is an official ranking system, which UFC is avoiding at all costs it seems.

[BigMike619]

99...im still waiting for you to assign me the sig of your choice.

[Sebowski]

Pound for pound is a judgment of how successful and talented a fighter is without any weight factor. Therefore, one could make the argument that 135 lb bantamweight champion, Miguel Torres, is pound for pound BETTER than 265 lb Brock Lesnar.

We all know Brock would pick his teeth with Miguel, but pound for pound, he's not as talented and successful as Miguel.

Exactly. That is why it is hard for me to elevate GSP on a p4p list after his par from ance. His whole fight startegy was to use his extra weight to win the fight

from an article on junkie
http://mmajunkie.com/news/13886/is-s...pound-king.mma
St. Pierre said he was about 187 pounds going into the cage, nearly 20 pounds heavier than Penn (13-5-1 MMA, 9-4-1 UFC), who weighed in at 168 pounds and was likely right at that weight going into the cage...
"My strategy was that he has small shoulders, which is good for hand speed, so I went to make him carry my weight and cause his shoulders to tire," said St. Pierre...."You'll notice I didn’t rush him right away going for the takedown (his style in his last few matches)," said St. Pierre. "The idea was to cause him to have to hop on one leg and get tired, and push off, having to carry my weight in the clinch. That was the idea in the first round."

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So now lets pretend GSP and Penn both weighed 168 pounds for the fight. What would have happened? There is still no way to know for sure.

[skinsfan_1215]

See the thing is Sebowski, that Penn doesn't typically fight at 170. He is best suited to 155, no doubt about it. Just like GSP is best suited to 170 because he walks around bigger than that. It's how the system works. The argument for GSP being high on the P4P list is because he is so much more dominant than any other fighters at 170 right now, people who are about the same size as him.

Penn is equally dominant in lightweight. Fedor is equally dominant in heavyweight. Silva is equally dominant in middleweight. So I propose this list of top p4p fighters:

1. Fedor
1. GSP
1. Silva
1. Penn
5. Others... nobody is as dominant at 205 right now as these guys are in their weight classes. But lets just cut the BS and put them all as tied at #1 because right now nobody in their weight class can touch any of them imo.

[StillUnknown]

[skinsfan_1215]

Now that's ****ing funny!

[Sebowski]

Good article on sherdog about what I'm talking about.

Monday, February 02, 2009
by Jake Rossen (jrossen@sherdog.com)

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Thinking of spending $44.95 for a replay of Saturday’s UFC 94 card? Let me spare you the expense and spoil the ending: size matters.

A redundant lesson, but one that seemed to get buried in the months of preamble leading to the cross-division meeting between welterweight phenomenon Georges St. Pierre and lightweight B.J. Penn. Fans ignored that St. Pierre had, in their previous encounter, managed to win the fight despite the effects of a poke in the eye; there was also little discussion of Penn’s losing record at 170 pounds (now standing -- wobbling, rather -- at 1-3).

Penn is a sensational martial artist. There are few greater joys in prizefighting spectatorship than seeing him dismantle a worthy opponent at his allowable fighting weight of 155 pounds. But Penn often appears so bored with that dominance that he frequently insists on competing one size up.

Being great isn’t enough: He wants to be two or three different kinds of great.

And so we got a bout labeled -- as virtually every main event is now -- the “greatest” in the UFC’s storied library. (Until it’s time to sell us the next one.) We got the color-corrected hype series, the elaborate Flash sites and UFC mouthpieces informing us that this is quite possibly the Most Important Event in Recorded Human History.

And of course we have to agree, because -- well, because they say so. Because they’re both dominant champions. Because Penn’s talent may just outstrip the limits of his muscular hypertrophy.

In many cases, it would. He’s outworked bigger men before: two Gracies, a shellshocked Matt Hughes. But against St. Pierre, Penn’s resolve was dwarfed against an ambulatory slab of granite determined to remove him from consciousness.

St. Pierre isn’t just any 170 bruiser -- he’s the 170-pound bruiser. Men who cut down from 190 pounds need to pack a lunch when scheduling up with him. Penn, despite a conditioning program much improved from his earlier days of stuttered training, was still a soft-looking 168 pounds. In the end, there was probably a 30-pound difference in lean, functional body mass between the two.

(Homework assignment: Go to the butcher and ask him to put 30 pounds of beef on the scale. Or just take my word for it: it’s a lot.)

That mass wasn’t simply there for show. While perhaps not Penn’s equal in technical ability, St. Pierre is a stunningly adept athlete with a deep bag of tricks. He didn’t simply bully Penn. He used his size to execute technique that would’ve given his opponent trouble even if he hadn’t weighed 185 pounds on fight night: persistent takedown attempts, guard passing, brutal strikes from above.

But whether St. Pierre won because he was truly the better fighter -- and the entire point of this sport more or less hinges on answering that question -- hasn’t really been satisfied. We only know he was the bigger, stronger fighter.

Watching Penn suffocate under St. Pierre’s attack brought about much of the same feeling stirred by Randy Couture’s molar-operation of a bout against the massive Brock Lesnar in November. In both cases, the stress of resisting a considerably larger foe catches up to you. This should not appear as a headline in anyone’s newspaper.

Would Rashad Evans -- himself a good 30 pounds larger than St. Pierre, if not more -- solve any of life’s mysteries by pummeling a welterweight?

Penn’s disassembly at the hands of St. Pierre should do nothing to tarnish his legacy as a martial artist. MMA is about grading on a curve. How Penn does at his natural weight of 155 pounds is all that matters. How Royce Gracie did against opponents in 1995, not 2005, is all that matters. Everything’s relative.

Penn remains a unique athlete. So was Michael Jordan. He couldn’t play baseball. And Penn can’t play 170.

The fee for reinforcing that fact was overpriced -- by about $44.95.

For comments, e-mail jrossen@sherdog.com

[Sebowski]

See the thing is Sebowski, that Penn doesn't typically fight at 170. He is best suited to 155, no doubt about it. Just like GSP is best suited to 170 because he walks around bigger than that. It's how the system works. The argument for GSP being high on the P4P list is because he is so much more dominant than any other fighters at 170 right now, people who are about the same size as him.

Penn is equally dominant in lightweight. Fedor is equally dominant in heavyweight. Silva is equally dominant in middleweight. So I propose this list of top p4p fighters:

1. Fedor
1. GSP
1. Silva
1. Penn
5. Others... nobody is as dominant at 205 right now as these guys are in their weight classes. But lets just cut the BS and put them all as tied at #1 because right now nobody in their weight class can touch any of them imo.

I understand where you are coming from. I just don't agree on your criteria for p4p. To me it is when you judge against guys in other weight classes. Not just dominating your own. It is the ultimate hypothetical that I thought we had a shot of getting a glimpse of on Saturday. I was wrong.

[skinsfan_1215]

edit: didn't see your response b4 my post.

[Sebowski]

Breaking news: GSP has released his first single

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl-be...e=channel_page

That is hilarious. How great would it be if he used that for entrance music.

[StillUnknown]

its a sad day when you look to the ref for consoling...........another factor in confirming the greatness that is Lyoto Machida

[Sebowski]

It's not uncommon to have fighters wiped down in between rounds. In fact it happens all the time.

I'm gonna wait for more information to surface about this before I get all worked up.

As for now I really hope it's not true.

Takes a Canadian to hold innocence until guilt is proven. Good job Dance. Here is Greg Jackson:
Props: MMAWeekly

“So in between rounds, (Team St. Pierre’s Steven Friend) had this little drill that you do – and Phil Nurse is the one who knows how to do it … he rubbed your back and tapped your chest; I don’t know exactly how it works. But anyways, what that’s supposed to do is get your energy in line, or motivated or whatever. So in between rounds, we had Phil Nurse do that. The controversy came because Phil Nurse also was putting Vasoline on Georges’ eyebrows … So Phil Nurse put all the Vasoline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest … If we were trying to grease the back we’d be greasing up and down, we would make it count. We wouldn’t do a little tiny spot in the back … The whole greasing thing is pretty ridiculous … They check your body before you get into the cage, there’s an inspector right there. In order for us to grease him up, it would be insane. There are cameras everywhere. We don’t cheat. We don’t need to cheat to win.”

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Sounds good to me. Unless BJ comes out complaing that his rubber guard was slipping off big time in the second I don't see a problem here. Hopefully this just goes away.

Next up for UFC 94 questions is what was the deal with Karo's mouthpiece?