Anything MMA, except thumb wrestling

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

Look at this angle. Watch the right knee right when Dan moves his big ass arm out of the way. Looks like it hits him pretty good and shows that Daley had no other intent but to throw an illegal knee. We shouldn't forget that.

You sure that wasn't Mirg's tricep nailing Koscheck? You make a great point, Daley knew what he was doing. I think the frustration set in after the first couple takedowns and Daley didn't mind getting DQ'd at that point. He's the kind of guy that would say the loss was BS if he landed that thing. I don't know about that right knee, it was a love tap. Maybe if it hit him directly in the eyeball, but I'm starting to think Koscheck dove out of the way because he wanted a point taken away from Daley for even throwing the whistler.

Almost like a "what the **** was that?!?!" kind of thing.

If he would have ignored the blatant attempt at the cheap shot, Daley would have only gotten a warning. Talk about one of the most bazaar fights in UFC history.

[Chachie]

Look at this angle. Watch the right knee right when Dan moves his big ass arm out of the way. Looks like it hits him pretty good and shows that Daley had no other intent but to throw an illegal knee. We shouldn't forget that.

The knee clipped him for sure. I didn't think it did until later in the round when I noticed that Kos was cut by that knee. It was right in the middle on the hairline.

I'm not a Josh Koscheck "fan" at all. I do respect his skills though. I do believe he hammed it up and I do believe he does it whenever he gets the chance and I don't like it.

Here's the thing though, guys- Shouldn't a fighter be penalized for throwing the illegal knee instead of just for connecting with it? It's the intent that makes the foul IMO.


BTW- Watching the Rampage vs. Evans countdown show right now. It's just confirming for me that Rashad has Quentin's number mentally and at this point in his career is a more well-rounded fighter. If he can avoid getting clipped in the first round (I know- big "if"), he will wear 'Page down and win it by a mile.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

I'm really starting to second guess my Rogers pick. I like making a case for the upsets but right now I'm thinking Overeem busts him up. I see him landing leg kicks, knees, basically cutting him up and leaving him confused. I'll stick with my original pick but I have a gut feeling that my gut feeling is merely a gastrointestinal complex. I still think all Rogers has to do is introduce fist to face one good time and he's got this bagged up. The Reem don't like getting hit.

[#98QBKiller]

The knee clipped him for sure. I didn't think it did until later in the round when I noticed that Kos was cut by that knee. It was right in the middle on the hairline.

I'm not a Josh Koscheck "fan" at all. I do respect his skills though. I do believe he hammed it up and I do believe he does it whenever he gets the chance and I don't like it.

Here's the thing though, guys- Shouldn't a fighter be penalized for throwing the illegal knee instead of just for connecting with it? It's the intent that makes the foul IMO.

I'll probably get crucified for saying this but I do consider myself a Kos fan.

He was already a great wrestler but he's much improved his standup and is a better all-around fighter and he plays up the heel role perfectly to make things entertaining. I don't really think that he's as much of a dick as he puts off in the cage, I think he enjoys the entertainment side of things, kind of like a Roy Nelson or a Rampage. That being said, he's a great actor inside the cage (eye poke, knee, etc.) and would make an excellent professional wrestler if he were a bigger guy.

Anyway, as far as the question of whether a fighter should be penalized for throwing the illegal blow (even if it doesn't connect), I think that's a gray area in the rules of the sport.

It's hard to say. I tend to lean toward yes, they should be penalized for throwing the illegal blow, I mean say for instance a fighter snuck a foreign object into the ring and tried to use it, failed ,but got caught with it. They would be immediately DQ'd (and maybe even banned from the sport) even though they didn't successfully use the object. I kind of feel that throwing an illegal blow should be the same way. You throw it, you get a point taken off whether it lands or not.

On the other hand, illegal blows sometimes incidentally happen and sometimes they only "kind of" happen. For instance, I've seen both Wandy and Jose Aldo, 'almost' go for soccer kicks in the states although they aren't allowed. I've seen Wandy 'kind of' go for a headbutt in Pride, even though it wasn't allowed. I'm just wondering at what point a referee decides that the blow deserves a point-deduction? Should it be only if the fighter fully executes the move, whether it lands or not? I actually think I could live with something like that. Except for the potential gray area of "did the fighter actually throw it all the way?"

The other thing I mentioned were incidental illegal blows. We see guys unintentionally get popped between the legs all the time with errant leg kicks. I've seen unintentional headbutts happen before, when guys are clinched up and wrestling for position. It happened in Couture/Gonzaga and in Fedor/Nog II, and I'm sure it's happened in other fights. I'm just wondering if they start penalizing for throwing the illegal blow, would it be up to the ref to decipher whether the blow was intentional or not? And if so, would that open up more room for potential bad reffing?

I don't have an answer. Like I said, I tend to lean toward penalizing an illegal blow that is fully executed whether it lands or not, giving the ref power to decide whether it was fully executed. But then there's the question of intention and the potential for error.

One thing that could fix a lot of this would be instant replay. Although that's just another reason to slow the action in a fight in which the fighters may have good rhythm going on.

Definitely a tough subject.

dont forget tomorrow is also when Din Thomas fights Ricardo Mayorga. Thomas is talking about standing with Mayorga, something tells me he is actually going to do it and be flatlined for his efforts

Thomas has to be saying that to throw Mayorga off. This bout is his if he wants it. I think he gets this to the ground and takes one of Mayorga's arms home with him.

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I'm really starting to second guess my Rogers pick. I like making a case for the upsets but right now I'm thinking Overeem busts him up. I see him landing leg kicks, knees, basically cutting him up and leaving him confused. I'll stick with my original pick but I have a gut feeling that my gut feeling is merely a gastrointestinal complex. I still think all Rogers has to do is introduce fist to face one good time and he's got this bagged up. The Reem don't like getting hit.

I'm having a hard time with this fight too. I just haven't seen enough of Overeem lately to make an accurate decision. And just by looking at his record, I'm not super impressed with who he's beaten lately. If there were no implications, I'd actually want Rogers to win. But I'd much rather have a potential Fedor vs. Overeem than Fedor vs. Rogers II.

[lovetoaster]

I have never really been a Koscheck fan, but I certainly respect his ability. I was actually coming around before the Johnson fight and the eyepoke incident. Between the way he acted after that and his acting after the knee that at best grazed, I have lost most of the respect I had for him the person. Before that fight he seemed to have matured a little and was humbled a little, but that has changed recently. He is a great fighter, but he has very little integrity. He enjoys being the bad guy, and there is money to be made being the bad guy, but you don't need to fake injuries or oversell them. It just makes him look foolish. This is not pro wrestling and it is not soccer.

And, for the record, I am for penalizing a fighter even if a illegal blow even if it does not land clean. Because honestly, the intent is still there.

[Sebowski]

But I'd much rather have a potential Fedor vs. Overeem than Fedor vs. Rogers II.

Going by how Fedor's team make matches he is probably more likely to fight Overeem if he loses.

How big of a joke is Fedor-Werdum anyway? I'd say much bigger than Hardy-GSP.

[Patrick86L]

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THE REEM EPISODE 1

[StillUnknown]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Jud...hts-Card-24510

Don King Productions was granted its motion for injunctive relief against Shine Fight Promotions and boxer Ricardo Mayorga on Saturday, preventing the boxer from making his MMA debut against former UFC lightweight contender Din Thomas at Shine Fights 3 “World Collide” at the Crown Coliseum in Fayetteville, N.C.

Broward County, Fla., Judge Marc Gold ruled Shine Fights could not promote the 36-year-old boxer, per his agreement with the boxing promotion. DKP has an exclusive three-year contract with Mayorga, which was signed on October 1, 2009.

“The court found that Mayorga is not a legitimate mixed martial artist and that Shine was not legitimately promoting him as one for this event,” said Brito, “and that the only reason anyone was attending this ‘Worlds Collide’ event was to see how Mayorga faired as a boxer against an MMA fighter.”

According to Brito, Judge Gold suggested that DKP would be successful in proving that Mayorga is in breach of his contract with the boxing promotion. He believed that whether Mayorga won, lost or was injured in his proposed bout with Thomas, DKP would suffer “irreparable damage” in trying to promote Mayorga again as a boxer.

DKP said it has already secured Mayorga’s next boxing assignment against current WBA world middleweight champion Felix Sturm in August or September 2010.

A Shine Fights spokesman told Sherdog.com that the MMA promotion had not yet received the court's decision but would comment when it did. The spokesman said he was unaware of any plans to replace Mayorga on just a few hours notice.

reason #25739 i hate Don King. they've been promoting this fight for months, yet he waited until now to do all this

[Sebowski]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Jud...hts-Card-24510



reason #25739 i hate Don King. they've been promoting this fight for months, yet he waited until now to do all this

That sucks. I was really looking forward to this fight.

King actually started this a few weeks ago. I guess the ruling went down today.

[Sebowski]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Jud...hts-Card-24510



reason #25739 i hate Don King. they've been promoting this fight for months, yet he waited until now to do all this

mmaweekly:
Don King's best efforts to spoil Ricardo Mayorga's professional MMA debut took a big step forward Saturday. A judge in Broward County, Fla., granted King an injunction to stop the former boxing champion from competing on Shine Fight's Worlds Collide pay-per-view card in Fayetteville, N.C., tonight.

It's only a big step forward because according to Shine Fights they still plan on moving forward with the bout, regardless of the judge's decision.

Shine Fights' PR representative Phil Lanides on Saturday confirmed to MMAWeekly.com that they still plan on moving forward with Mayorga's involvement in the fight stating, "Official position at this point is that we're still going forward."

Shine Fights did confirm that they would also alert fans and the media if anything changes in the situation, or if Mayorga will indeed be pulled from the bout tonight against Din Thomas.

The battle between Don King and Shine Fights has been ongoing for the past few weeks regarding the promotional contract Mayorga has with King.

King had sent two separate "cease and desist" orders to Shine Fights to stop Mayorga from fighting for the promotion, and last week filed an injunction to stop the bout from happening. The judge in Broward County Saturday enforced that injunction, but at this time Shine has decided to ignore that order and move forward with the fight.

There was no official word at the time of publication if Shine Fights plans additional legal action to press forward against the judge's order, but stay tuned to MMAWeekly.com as more information will surely be available over the next few hours.
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Kind of weird for a judge to make a ruling on a Saturday isn't it? Shouldn't the judge have taken into account that it is the actual day of the fight and maybe too late for such a decision?

[Sebowski]

What the hell happened to my sig?

[StillUnknown]

i cant imagine Shine Fights will actually go through with it.

i'm sure they will say they will to preserve as many PPV buys as they can, but actually allowing Mayorga to fight after that ruling would be pretty risky.

[Sebowski]

i cant imagine Shine Fights will actually go through with it.

i'm sure they will say they will to preserve as many PPV buys as they can, but actually allowing Mayorga to fight after that ruling would be pretty risky.

Can't they start an appeal process? Maybe after the fight the higher court can look at it and rule that it was too late to file an injunction so close to the event. Without the fight everyone will want their money back and there might be a riot in the crowd.

[StillUnknown]

found this on Sherdog

http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/05/1...residents.html

A.J. Verel and his friend Jessica Walters were the last people to place a lunch order at the bar before the president walked in. Verel, a champion kick-boxer, said he talked at length with the president about martial arts, kick-boxing and the sport of ultimate fighting, which is illegal in New York State.


Obama impressed Verel by chatting with him about a couple of ultimate fighters who had competed last weekend.


"It's shock and awe," said Verel, 40, of Buffalo, who asked to be considered for the president's fitness advisory council. "My phone was in the car — that's how unprepared I was."

[Sebowski]

Josh Gross Twitter:
Ricardo Mayorga is out per @KarynBryant. Unfortunate for Din Thomas, who had good sponsorship money lined up for the fight.
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Where is Seth Petruzelli when you need him?