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[Chachie]

Sebowski, he made Penn look amateurish. A p4p guy like Penn is touted to be should have found a way to get his hands around his opponents neck, at least once. He was out hustled, out fought and outscored. Penn was beat, fair and square. It's not like he got over zealous and fell into a world class BJJ's guard, consequently getting tapped out. He got beat by a smaller, guy who outclassed him with speed.

He got beat, I'll concede that. He was never hurt, never in danger of being submitted or KOed. I was the only person on this board who gave Edgar props before the fight, telling all these guys not to sleep on Edgar so I'm not just blindly defending BJ due to my man crush. I knew Frankie had it in him. (You are free to check the posts in this thread in the days leading up to the event if you like- I was really pushing Edgar's prowess on these guys, who didn't want to listen.) However, he didn't "soundly" handle BJ Penn. He did enough to win without controversy.

BJ's excuses included the Abu Dhabi atmosphere, flying from Hawaii to Saudi Arabia (no easy trip), and some sort of illness. None of these are accepted by me or anyone else but I'm willing to bet on a very different outcome in the rematch.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

He made Penn look amateurish? Really? An Amateur level fighter...

Frankie was so sharp and looked almost flawless in that fight. He would have embarrassed and destroyed any amateur fighter that night.

[Chachie]

He made Penn look amateurish? Really? An Amateur level fighter...

Frankie was so sharp and looked almost flawless in that fight. He would have embarrassed and destroyed any amateur fighter that night.

Exactly. As I recall BJ landed sweetly when he threw with conviction. He just didn't seem motivated to make things happen though, which is to Frankie's credit for staying mobile. I suspect BJ didn't just think the judges would rule against him as long as he kept it close. He mailed it in for the first 2 rounds and couldn't figure out how to catch up after that. Typical BJ Penn performance when he doesn't take his opponent seriously or have an angry agenda.

[#98QBKiller]

so I'm not just blindly defending BJ due to my man crush.

Chach loves his bad boys.

[Chachie]

Chach loves his bad boys.

Dammit, 98!

Well I hate bad boy Brock Lesnar.

[lovetoaster]

Chach loves his bad boys.

His favorite:

[Chachie]

His favorite:

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I'd root for Crazy Horse before I'd root for Brock!

My bad boy list is as follows:

1. BJ Penn and Nick Diaz
2. LEEBS! Da Cripplaaaaah!!

I think Leben is actually a teddy bear who wants to be a bad boy. I'm not under the impression that he's a top-tier fighter, either. I would call him very underrated though. I love the Crippler for his reckless abandon in the octagon and his cheesy pose when he wins. I remember feeling sorry for him when he'd melt down in the TUF house. Those guys definitely picked on him like he was the runt of the litter and he'd cry the tears of a baby brother. They had no idea how tough they were making him in the process though. He's been an exciting attraction in the UFC ever since and a lot of those guys are history.

For the record I think Akiyama is too well-rounded for him but never count out Da Cripplaaaah!

[lovetoaster]

I'd root for Crazy Horse before I'd root for Brock!

My bad boy list is as follows:

1. BJ Penn and Nick Diaz
2. LEEBS! Da Cripplaaaaah!!

I think Leben is actually a teddy bear who wants to be a bad boy. I'm not under the impression that he's a top-tier fighter, either. I would call him very underrated though. I love the Crippler for his reckless abandon in the octagon and his cheesy pose when he wins. I remember feeling sorry for him when he'd melt down in the TUF house. Those guys definitely picked on him like he was the runt of the litter and he'd cry the tears of a baby brother. They had no idea how tough they were making him in the process though. He's been an exciting attraction in the UFC ever since and a lot of those guys are history.

For the record I think Akiyama is too well-rounded for him but never count out Da Cripplaaaah!

I have come around a little to Nick Diaz and Penn in recent years. I think it has more to do with respect than anything else. I still do not really like them, but B.J. Penn has always been a great fighter and Nick has really impressed me in the last few years. Plus I think they have both matured a little in the last 2-3 years.

As for Leben, I think he was actually a little overrated for a while, but has been underrated recently. I think he has become less of a bad boy now that he has his life in order a little better. I like him as well as Akiyama, but I have a weird feeling that Leben wins that fight. I would not bet on it, but Akiyama did not look great against Belcher and it is not hard to see that this is not the fight he really wanted. Leben is going to come out there with nothing to lose. That is probably not going to look a whole lot different than his usual strategy, but Akiyama better be careful early.

I was excited when they first announced the Akiyama-Wanderlei fight, as I am a fan of both, and I am assuming that the winner of this fight will get Wand in the future. I liked Leben's answer in the press conference when he was asked whether he thought he should get a title shot if he won (I think it was from a fan). Leben said something like, "he was supposed to fight Wanderlei, so after I beat this guy, I'd like to fight him next."

[#98QBKiller]

I don't mind Brock, I think I just resent him because of how much the casual fans hype him up. I'm glad he's in the sport, I think he's exciting, I just think people get overly excited about him considering he's only got 5 fights on his resume.

Obviously, I like Nick Diaz. I think people are starting to come around to him because he's winning and earning people's respect. If were getting beat up all the time and acting the way he does, he'd just be another punk to everyone. Hell, besides the Noons fight he hasn't lost since 2006. The Gomi thing is a NC but he whipped Gomi's ass and I still consider that a Diaz win no matter what the record says.

I like Leben too. Some people don't like him but he's the blue chip kind of fighter that the UFC loves. He's probably not going to be a title contender but he's going to put everything on the line and let it all hang out when the bell rings, which means his fights are usually going to be very entertaining.

And lol to that Krazy Horse pic. I do like Krazy Horse about 100x better than KJ Noons and Michael Bisping.

[lovetoaster]

And lol to that Krazy Horse pic. I do like Krazy Horse about 100x better than KJ Noons and Michael Bisping.

Agreed, I was looking forward to Krazy Horse-Noons II before it was scrapped.

[Chachie]

As for Leben, I think he was actually a little overrated for a while, but has been underrated recently. I think he has become less of a bad boy now that he has his life in order a little better. I like him as well as Akiyama, but I have a weird feeling that Leben wins that fight. I would not bet on it, but Akiyama did not look great against Belcher and it is not hard to see that this is not the fight he really wanted. Leben is going to come out there with nothing to lose. That is probably not going to look a whole lot different than his usual strategy, but Akiyama better be careful early.

I was excited when they first announced the Akiyama-Wanderlei fight, as I am a fan of both, and I am assuming that the winner of this fight will get Wand in the future. I liked Leben's answer in the press conference when he was asked whether he thought he should get a title shot if he won (I think it was from a fan). Leben said something like, "he was supposed to fight Wanderlei, so after I beat this guy, I'd like to fight him next."

Totally agree about Leben quitting alcohol. (At least I think I remember that he quit.) But anyway he really grew up after that.

I think it's really hard for anyone to look good against Alan Belcher even if someone beats him. Dude is tough as iron. I hope Chris wins though, of course.

Leebs vs Wandy at this stage of Silva's career would be epic!

I don't mind Brock, I think I just resent him because of how much the casual fans hype him up. I'm glad he's in the sport, I think he's exciting, I just think people get overly excited about him considering he's only got 5 fights on his resume.

That's thing that pisses me off about Lesnar. After five fights he acts so entitled to everything! Disgracing his opponents, flipping off the crowd, the whole Budweiser thing. He's demolishing good fighters but so is Carwin and we don't see Shane acting like a baby.

[lovetoaster]

I think it's really hard for anyone to look good against Alan Belcher even if someone beats him. Dude is tough as iron. I hope Chris wins though, of course.

Leebs vs Wandy at this stage of Silva's career would be epic!

That is true, Belcher is a tough dude and a damn good fighter.

And as for Leben vs. Wandy, I think that would be a hell of a fight too. I think Wandy would take it though. Although that could be my mancrush on the Axe Murderer talking. I can not see that fight going anywhere near the distance.

[Mickalino]

He is a big draw. I've had friends texting me this week that haven't come over for a ppv in a long time asking me if I still get the fights.

I just sent you a text.

[ZoEd]

Exactly. As I recall BJ landed sweetly when he threw with conviction. He just didn't seem motivated to make things happen though, which is to Frankie's credit for staying mobile. I suspect BJ didn't just think the judges would rule against him as long as he kept it close. He mailed it in for the first 2 rounds and couldn't figure out how to catch up after that. Typical BJ Penn performance when he doesn't take his opponent seriously or have an angry agenda.

Exactly, and that's why I say Frankie made him look like an amature.

Come on now, BJ has been considered a top five P4P for years, however there's always a "but" or a "when" thrown onto it. You actually prove my arguement that if you're going to leave BJ in the P4P top ten after losing to Edgar, a relative baby in the MMA arena compared to Penn, then how in the hell can Sherdog justify dropping Fedor out of the top 10 after losing to a BJJ master?

[Chachie]

Exactly, and that's why I say Frankie made him look like an amature.

Come on now, BJ has been considered a top five P4P for years, however there's always a "but" or a "when" thrown onto it. You actually prove my arguement that if you're going to leave BJ in the P4P top ten after losing to Edgar, a relative baby in the MMA arena compared to Penn, then how in the hell can Sherdog justify dropping Fedor out of the top 10 after losing to a BJJ master?

Oh I totally agree that dropping Fedor from the top 10 (or top 5 for that matter) is ridiculous. I also think putting Werdum in the top 5 is kinda silly. However, the only fighter to ever make BJ Penn like an amateur is GSP.