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    Quote Originally Posted by StillUnknown View Post
    Anderson would toy with Diaz. Diaz is slow (in terms of movement), flat-footed, and no threat to take Anderson down. He would get Forrest Griffin'd.
    He wants to bang so give him somebody that wants to standup with him. Nick has fought at 185 before and other then Chael or GSP laying on him thats the most exciting matchup for me other then Anderson at 205 with Bones.

    Nick has a hellva alot better chin then Forrest. He took some massive shots from Daley who's left hand is a freaking cannon and finished him standing. Not saying Nick can win but i'd pay to watch and would'nt completely count him out.

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    Nick at 185? Ahaha. He looks small up against 170lb guys, could you imagine him in there against a guy like Silva who is probably hovering around 200lbs by the time the bell rings?

    In theory it sounds like a fun fight due to styles, but Nick is not big enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuels View Post
    He wants to bang so give him somebody that wants to standup with him. Nick has fought at 185 before and other then Chael or GSP laying on him thats the most exciting matchup for me other then Anderson at 205 with Bones.

    Nick has a hellva alot better chin then Forrest. He took some massive shots from Daley who's left hand is a freaking cannon and finished him standing. Not saying Nick can win but i'd pay to watch and would'nt completely count him out.
    Paul Daley isn't on the same planet as Anderson Silva. He's got KO power but he's not even in the conversation of most dominant strikers on the planet. His three fights after Diaz have all been decisions and those are in Strikeforce, BAMMA, and RingsideMMA. Everyone that has tried to stand and bang with Silva has taken a nap.

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    Nick is too small for silva but I would love to see it. Not like he would be afraid of silva like Okami who was already defeated once he stepped
    Into the cage. Daley is probably the most dangerous striker at 170. No one stands with him. Woodly wrestled him and so did Kos. As to the Kos gsp fight. It as disappointing for one simple reason. Gsp could not put away a guy with a broken orbital. Wtf. He was practically blind. To be fair though Kos is very durable.

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    Paul Daley isn't on the same planet as Anderson Silva. He's got KO power but he's not even in the conversation of most dominant strikers on the planet. His three fights after Diaz have all been decisions and those are in Strikeforce, BAMMA, and RingsideMMA. Everyone that has tried to stand and bang with Silva has taken a nap.
    Your right Anderson is a way more accurate and has way more tools in his toolbag. But Daleys left hand might be most brutal in all of MMA and Diaz just kept eating them and coming back for more until he ko'd Daley. Not many guys beat Daley playing his game.

    Diaz just does'nt quit. I thought for sure Daley was gonna KO him those shots were brutal.

    I personally would love to see them fight.

    Thats the reason I like Nick he could have very easily just subbed but he did'nt play it safe.
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    I'm probably the biggest Diaz fan here and I cannot believe we are having a discussion about him fighting Anderson Silva. Nick wins fights by erosion, Silva by explosion. There simply would not be enough time for Nick to tenderize Anderson before Silva catches him.

    Besides, we all know Silva walks around at 205. He's just too strong.

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    Daley's striking is so much different than Silva's. He winds up his hands, knees and kicks, putting a ton of power behind them, while Silva snaps his punches and kicks from nothing. Look at all those kicks Condit was landing, now imagine what Anderson would do. It's just impossible imagining Nick chopping Anderson down with 150 body shots. If Diaz chin were to hold up, I think his face would look like hamburger meat by the championship rounds. If it were to go to the ground, Diaz would have a shot, but standing up, stylistically, even as good a boxer as Diaz is, it's a terribly bad matchup.

    That methodical, walk forward like a zombie approach would feed right in to the best counter striker in MMA history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0ublestr0ker0ll View Post
    Daley's striking is so much different than Silva's. He winds up his hands, knees and kicks, putting a ton of power behind them, while Silva snaps his punches and kicks from nothing. Look at all those kicks Condit was landing, now imagine what Anderson would do. It's just impossible imagining Nick chopping Anderson down with 150 body shots. If Diaz chin were to hold up, I think his face would look like hamburger meat by the championship rounds. If it were to go to the ground, Diaz would have a shot, but standing up, stylistically, even as good a boxer as Diaz is, it's a terribly bad matchup.

    That methodical, walk forward like a zombie approach would feed right in to the best counter striker in MMA history.
    I don't think yall are giving Diaz enough credit, his not a zombie at all. You are making it sound likes he is the Chris Leben of the 170. Diaz is so much more then jjust a plodding zombie, no one throws combinations like Diaz and the angles he finds are uncanny. Not saying Silva wouldn't tool him but it wouldn't be anything like Leben vs Silva.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Do Itch Big View Post
    I don't think yall are giving Diaz enough credit, his not a zombie at all. You are making it sound likes he is the Chris Leben of the 170. Diaz is so much more then jjust a plodding zombie, no one throws combinations like Diaz and the angles he finds are uncanny. Not saying Silva wouldn't tool him but it wouldn't be anything like Leben vs Silva.
    Leben is a zombie because he gets put on Neptune in pretty much any fight he's in, and somehow he can still fight in such a state of mind. I use the term zombie for Diaz because from the get-go he doesn't move around a lot. He barely gets on his toes, he rarely bobs/weaves/slips, he gets jacked in the face fairly often, yet he absorbs it like nothing 95% of the time while constantly walking towards his opponent. It's virtually like a zombie. A zombie with very good boxing offense? You better be damn sure. Not discounting Diaz, I'm a huge fan of his.
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    I've been a Nick Diaz fan for years now and I honestly don't think he'd make it out of round 1 with Anderson Silva. Anderson is bigger, faster, stronger and has better technique. Diaz isn't a threat to take him down and that's about the only place he could have a potential advantage...and I'm not even sure of that.

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    Now the big question is, what does a title fight between 2 Jackson MMA fighters look like? does either Condit or GSP move forward, or do they both move back and wait to counter? do the judges give a round to the guy who back up the least or throws the most feints?

    MMA fans who practice MMA or boxing will probably enjoy the Condit GSP fight for their technical skills, but to the casual fight fan, this could be the worst WW title fight of all time, 5 rounds of guys trying to slightly outpoint each other and not much action.

    As for Diaz, I think he got robbed, I had a hard time scoring the bout, I gave 1 round to Diaz and 1 round to Condit and the other 3 where a coin flip IMO, but I thought that with Diaz pressing the action, he should have been leading on the score cards. The fight was so close that I would not have been surprised at a draw, or not surprised if Diaz wond a SD, but Condit by UD caught me by surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artmonkforHOF View Post
    As for Diaz, I think he got robbed, I had a hard time scoring the bout, I gave 1 round to Diaz and 1 round to Condit and the other 3 where a coin flip IMO, but I thought that with Diaz pressing the action, he should have been leading on the score cards. The fight was so close that I would not have been surprised at a draw, or not surprised if Diaz wond a SD, but Condit by UD caught me by surprise.
    In one part of your statement, you say you think Diaz was robbed. In another part, you admit that is was closely contested in each round. The two cannot coexist.

    I have no problem with anybody who thinks Diaz won the fight, reasonable minds can disagree on an outcome of a fight, but there was no robbery in that fight.

    As for GSP/Condit, I think it looks like another GSP special, 5 rounds of takedowns. Although I expect Dana & Co. to let GSP sit back and recuperate the knee injury, letting Condit & Diaz rematch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillUnknown View Post
    In one part of your statement, you say you think Diaz was robbed. In another part, you admit that is was closely contested in each round. The two cannot coexist.

    I have no problem with anybody who thinks Diaz won the fight, reasonable minds can disagree on an outcome of a fight, but there was no robbery in that fight.

    As for GSP/Condit, I think it looks like another GSP special, 5 rounds of takedowns. Although I expect Dana & Co. to let GSP sit back and recuperate the knee injury, letting Condit & Diaz rematch.
    I agree a GSP 5 round wrestling clinic.

    I watched the fight again SU and I still gave Nick 1,2 and 5 but that fight could have went either way for sure. Every judge and person looks for different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillUnknown View Post
    Although I expect Dana & Co. to let GSP sit back and recuperate the knee injury, letting Condit & Diaz rematch.
    Dana came out and said that he's up for a rematch if Condit & Diaz are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillUnknown View Post
    In one part of your statement, you say you think Diaz was robbed. In another part, you admit that is was closely contested in each round. The two cannot coexist.

    I have no problem with anybody who thinks Diaz won the fight, reasonable minds can disagree on an outcome of a fight, but there was no robbery in that fight.

    As for GSP/Condit, I think it looks like another GSP special, 5 rounds of takedowns. Although I expect Dana & Co. to let GSP sit back and recuperate the knee injury, letting Condit & Diaz rematch.
    I think Diaz got robbed in that it was a close fight in all five rounds, but 2 judges scored it 4-1 Condit, and one scored it 3-2 Condit. like I said, it could have been a draw-split or unanimous, or a split decision for Diaz IMO, but there is no way I thought Condit would get two 4-1 scores, maybe 1. Now that I think about it, maybe he didn't get "robbed", since when watching the fight with some friends, two of whom have fought professionally, no one could agree who won 3 of the 5 rounds, be we all agreed that if whatever a judge scored the first questionable round, they had to score the other 2 the same way, so I could see how you could go 4-1 for one fighter, I just didn't think that fighter was Condit.

    I like both fighters, but was upset with both during the fight, Condit for backing up and running away and Diaz for letting him by not mixing things up and changing his attack. I think a rematch is a great idea, but I don't think it will happen, I don't think we will see Nick Diaz fight again,....this year anyway. I think Condit ends up fighting someone else-(Ellenberger, Shields, Hendricks??) late this summer, and the winner fights GSP by the end of the year.

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