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[StillUnknown]

for a split second it looked like Rogan contemplated applying a choke on that dude

[#98QBKiller]

I'll pose the big debate question on Sherdog to you guys, since I'm having trouble making up my mind on this.

When a fighter is on top of a guy and gets hit more from the guy on the bottom, while having to fend off a few sub attempts...who wins the round?

My opinion was always that when a guy is on top, he has the upper hand, unless he actually gets sub'd. But after Diego smashed the top of Clay's head and set up about 5 kimura attempts, it's hard to argue that Guida won those ground battles.

I scored the fight a draw, 28-28. I hear people talk about Guida "dry humping" Diego, but to bring homosexuality in to the equation is just to emphasize a point that doesn't have enough merit in the first place. Lay & pray might be boring in many cases, but if you know you're fighting a guy like that, practice on getting your ass up during training camp. It wasn't like Diego tried getting up, why should Clay risk getting swept on a transition against a dangerous jiu jitsu guy with sick ground and pound? To please Bubba watching with a warm Milwaukee's Best in his hand?

It's all very debatable, Diego cut Guida up with those elbows, but are CUTS that significant? You can get smashed by haymakers and not get cut, but a glancing shot can make it look like you sliced an artery. Guida was bleeding pretty badly, and he got busted up in the first real bad. But he paid his 2 points for that, and I don't think a flurry of elbows to the crown of the head completely wins a round...that's just me.

I was very surprised in Diego's demeanor in round 3. He had the look on his face like, "I've hit this guy with everything I have and he's still walking towards me." He is a talented fighter, and count me in as a guy that loves his intensity. But Guida won even more fans last night.

The bottom line is that Diego either won that fight or it was a draw. I called it a draw. Just can't make my mind up about what is considered more important, a few more strikes landed from the bottom or top position?

I think that you have to count strikes from the bottom position as long as they are effective. Those elbows that Diego threw from the bottom were definitely effective. Not because they tore Guida up, but because they negated his top position and made him cover up to avoid a potential TKO from inside someone's guard.

From what I understand, and someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that physical damage (bleeding, cuts, bruises, etc.) is supposed to be factored in a judge's decision.

That being said, Mike Goldberg commented on the damage that Guida sustained during the fight and said something along the lines of "I wonder if all of this blood will affect the judges decision?" So I'm confused on whether or not it should be counted.

Either way, I feel like top position shouldn't necessarily equal automatic points. If you take someone down, you get points for that but once you're in their guard it's up to you to get points after that. For example, if you're in someone's guard and are effectively using ground n pound or are attempting submissions that are keeping your opponent constantly having to defend himself then I think that you should be awarded points, however, if you're in someone's guard and they are elbowing you from the bottom and negating any offense you may have or if they are attempting submissions from guard and negating your top position then they should be awarded the points.

[lovetoaster]

for a split second it looked like Rogan contemplated applying a choke on that dude

Yeah, that was funny. And Goldberg was eyeing him for the rest of that segment as well.

[lovetoaster]

You're right, Dana is apparently eyeing him:

http://sherdogblog.craveonline.com/blog/2009-06-20

Would be a good bout for Anderson IMO. Anderson should win, but Vitor still has good standup.

It would definitely be an exciting fight IMO. But I agree, I think Anderson wins.

[lovetoaster]

I had the Guida-Sanchez fight a draw. But I have no issues with Sanchez winning.

I gave Guida the second and third. The second was very close due to the elbows from Sanchez, but I still gave the round to Guida because of the control and the fact that he was doing something with it and not just laying on him.

The biggest question I have is how only one of the judges scored the first round as 10-8 for Sanchez. That was a pretty clear 10-8 in my opinion.

[BigMike619]

I called the fight a draw too. I was kind of shocked that Sanchez was controlled on the ground. I know Guida is a good wrestler but I thought Diego had more then that.

great 60 seconds of the first round though.

Was anyone else happy that Diaz lost? I was hoping that choke Stevenson set in would have tapped him out but I dont think he would anyways considering he is a Gracie fighter.

[StillUnknown]

It would definitely be an exciting fight IMO. But I agree, I think Anderson wins.

Vitor would be wise not let this UFC talk get in his head. Santiago is no easy win. If Vitor isn't 100% focused on Santiago, he will get beat.

Santiago has done nothing but improve since he left the UFC a while back, completely different fighter now.

[Chachie]

Vitor would be wise not let this UFC talk get in his head. Santiago is no easy win. If Vitor isn't 100% focused on Santiago, he will get beat.

Santiago has done nothing but improve since he left the UFC a while back, completely different fighter now.

Why did Vitor sort of fall off the radar in marquee MMA scenes? Dude still seems to have fast and powerful hands and in his last 2 fights looked generally as good as he used to be. I see Belfort as a guy who definitely could land that shot on Silva.

[lovetoaster]

Why did Vitor sort of fall off the radar in marquee MMA scenes? Dude still seems to have fast and powerful hands and in his last 2 fights looked generally as good as he used to be. I see Belfort as a guy who definitely could land that shot on Silva.

It was a lot of things if I am remembering correctly. The terrible situation with his sister, injuries and the steriod suspension in Pride. He went to Cage Rage in the UK while he was suspended in Pride and from fighthing in Nevada (which most states normally reciprocate) and I do not think a lot of people approved of that decision.

And he does have great hands and punching power, but he was always fighting at a higher weight than he is now. So while he had good power before, his power is tremendous now at a lower weight class.

[lovetoaster]

Vitor would be wise not let this UFC talk get in his head. Santiago is no easy win. If Vitor isn't 100% focused on Santiago, he will get beat.

Santiago has done nothing but improve since he left the UFC a while back, completely different fighter now.

Good point. Santiago has been very impressive recently. Honestly, I did not think he was as good as he is proving to be. I am imppressed with how much better he has gotten since his UFC run.

[Chachie]

It was a lot of things if I am remembering correctly. The terrible situation with his sister, injuries and the steriod suspension in Pride. He went to Cage Rage in the UK while he was suspended in Pride and from fighthing in Nevada (which most states normally reciprocate) and I do not think a lot of people approved of that decision.

And he does have great hands and punching power, but he was always fighting at a higher weight than he is now. So while he had good power before, his power is tremendous now at a lower weight class.

His KO of Lindland was very impressive, even if Matt doesn't have a great chin. I'd be very intrigued by another UFC run for Vitor.

[#98QBKiller]

Was anyone else happy that Diaz lost? I was hoping that choke Stevenson set in would have tapped him out but I dont think he would anyways considering he is a Gracie fighter.

I like both the Diaz brothers but obviously, I like Nick the best. I was pulling for Nate but when he got up after round one or two (don't remember which) and put his hands up like he won the round I almost started pulling for Joe Daddy. He got his ass kicked that entire round and should've just went back to his corner and sat down.

Nate's a top jiu jitsu guy in the UFC's LW division but he basically has no standup and is controlled easily by stronger wrestlers.

I'm sure he'll improve but he needs to stop playing the bad guy role like his brother because he's not good enough to be talking all the smack that he does.

[lovetoaster]

His KO of Lindland was very impressive, even if Matt doesn't have a great chin. I'd be very intrigued by another UFC run for Vitor.

Yeah, that was a nasty KO. Vitor really overwhelmed Lindland.

I would be intrigued as well, he really looks great right now. We'll see how things unfold on Aug. 1.

[lovetoaster]

I like both the Diaz brothers but obviously, I like Nick the best. I was pulling for Nate but when he got up after round one or two (don't remember which) and put his hands up like he won the round I almost started pulling for Joe Daddy. He got his ass kicked that entire round and should've just went back to his corner and sat down.

Nate's a top jiu jitsu guy in the UFC's LW division but he basically has no standup and is controlled easily by stronger wrestlers.

I'm sure he'll improve but he needs to stop playing the bad guy role like his brother because he's not good enough to be talking all the smack that he does.

Yeah, that was after the first round. I definitely wanted him to lose. I am not a fan of the Diaz brothers, but I definitely respect their ability.

The funny thing to me is that it seems like Nick is trying to turn away from playing the bad guy. Some of it is probably from growing up a little, but from a lot of his comments recently, he seems like he wants more acceptance from fans. It never seemed like it mattered much to him (which is fine), but it seems like he is changing his tide a little.

[lovetoaster]

And I find myself, once again, laughing at the "cheech diaz" tag.