If dissent is the highest form of patriotism..

[Air Force Cane]

Then does that make these two guys more patriotic than Abe Lincoln?

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Rea...e.asp?ID=13591

[Prosperity]

First, find something meaningful to do in your life. Second, make accurate thread titles.

[rincewind]

Then does that make these two guys more patriotic than Abe Lincoln?

Pauly Shore, why has thou foresaken us?

[twenty-eight]

make accurate thread titles.

AFC does what he wants and if an inaccurate thread title pleases him, than thats how its gonnabe

[The Evil Genius]

Pauly Shore, why has thou foresaken us?

I wondered what happened to Remlik!

[Destino]

Are you comparing your dislike for Clinton's policy decisions with joining a terrorist group AFC?

[Henry]

AFC, please tell me you understand the distinction between voicing dissent within the parameters outlined by our very own Constitution and someone who advocates taking up arms against the government of the United States?

Personally, I don't think dissent is the highest form of patriotism in a Democratic Republic.

However, I think tolerance for dissent displays the utmost respect for our way of life, because while it's not easy, it's absolutely necessary. And those who fail to understand that cannot be patriots, for they lack the respect our Constitution demands and requires.

[DCsportsfan53]

You've got be ****ing kidding me. I'd respond in more detail but the only things that come to mind are (deserving) personal insults so I won't go into detail.

[Air Force Cane]

First, this "quote" was made up by the anti-liberation left. It was never uttered by Thomas Jefferson in the way they try to use it.

Second, I do believe that all Americans have the right to voice their opinions. However, just because you disagree with the government does not make you correct. Or patriotic.

Skinheads disagree with the government. Black seperatists disagree with the government. Anti-abortion activists disagree with the government.

And John Walker Lindh and Adam Gudayn disagree with the government. Because they dissent with the government, does that make them a priori patriotic?

That is the question. I bet none of the leftists will answer it though.

Because it exposes the fallacy of their "logic".

[Henry]

That is the question. I bet none of the leftists will answer it though. Because it exposes the fallacy of their logic.

Look two posts up.

[Destino]

Look two posts up.

People answer his questions all the time and it's never stopped him from saying that. It's no coincidence that every right wing talking head on the radio and tv claims that liberals will never answer a question - and AFC does the same. It's an old political strategy both sides use to some extent. Ask a series of loaded questions and then complain if anyone refuses to answer it directly.

Just for fun though, count how many times AFC answers a question.

[Midnight Judges]

Here is the fallacy in your argument: Taking anything to the extreme in politics often leads one to false conclusions.

AFC, you are a right-wing extremist.

[Predicto]

AFC, no one ever answers you because you spew nothing but obviously loaded questions, slanted nonsense and pure made-up baloney.

Let me give you a taste of your own debate style:

Ready?

Ok AFC - give me a simple yes or no answer...

Have you stopped wacking it to child pr0n yet?

Yes or no answer. Stop evading and answer the question!!!!

See, see? He can't even aswer a simple yes or no question. Just like all those fascists.

[chomerics]

First, this "quote" was made up by the anti-liberation left. It was never uttered by Thomas Jefferson in the way they try to use it.

Really? Are you just saying that because the party you believe is in power right now, or is it an across the board judgement by you? Would you be saying the same thing if Clinton was behind Iraq instead of Bush?

Just for 's and giggles, I present to you a firey speech by the founder of the modern day Republican party. Yes, i give you Mr. Republican himself Robert A. Taft. Do you happen to know what he said right after the bombing of Pearl harbor?

"As a matter of general principle, I believe there can be no doubt that criticism in time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic government ... too many people desire to suppress criticism simply because they think that it will give some comfort to the enemy to know that there is such criticism. If that comfort makes the enemy feel better for a few moments, they are welcome to it as far as I am concerned, because the maintenance of the right of criticism in the long run will do the country maintaining it a great deal more good than it will do the enemy, and will prevent mistakes which might otherwise occur."
-- Sen. Robert Taft (R-OH), Dec. 19, 1941

source
Notice the date? That was less then 2 weeks after Pearl Harbor. How do you like them apples? Or was he just a Japanese sympathiser?

Second, I do believe that all Americans have the right to voice their opinions. However, just because you disagree with the government does not make you correct. Or patriotic.

Or just because you disagree with them does not make you a terrorist as your thread implies If anything, this thread is a great example of the problem with the right. You either believe like we do, or you are a terrorist. It is simple as that to people such as yourself. well, that is not a democrasy it is a dictatorship, and anyone whit half a brain can see it.

Skinheads disagree with the government. Black seperatists disagree with the government. Anti-abortion activists disagree with the government.

So do right wing nutjobs. . .

And John Walker Lindh and Adam Gudayn disagree with the government. Because they dissent with the government, does that make them a priori patriotic?

No, but it makes this thread almost as much of a joke as the entire right wing now. . .

That is the question. I bet none of the leftists will answer it though.

Because it exposes the fallacy of their "logic".

No, it exposes the mypoic and narrow minded vision you have for anything in life. It exposes the right as extreme, hate filled, and totalitarian. It places the right on a platform never seen before in our country, and you proudly share that belief. Thank god the vast majority of Americans see the pea brained mentality that is the neo-con cult of lemmings. It just goes to show everyone the true colors of the right. They love their party more then their country, and it is why thay have lost any semblance of dignity left.


Any more softballs AFC, or are you going to crawl back into your hole now?

[Thiebear]

I dont agree with 1/2 of what you say, does that make me a liberal.
I dont agree with Pat Robertson and his form of dissent
I dont agree with others that are in the 3% of the so far right that they almost circled around..

The peaceful right of assembly to dissent against the government is a form of Patriotism (sometimes) and others just pissed off (sometimes).

It is 2006 after labor day so the left / right heckling shall begin.

As I heard this morning the "Republicans" are putting immigration on the back burner:
I promised to vote straight Democrat if they failed again: And they did.... bastages...