Contrary to popular belief and or opinion

[Ryman of the North]

I think that so far this offseason the F/o has shown restraint and made some great moves but frankly They dropped the ball on 2 major signings. However I do like the way they have held onto our pick so far as its value only increases by the day.

I was seriously hoping we would sign Clements, now before you go spouting off about his 80 million dollar contract, I looked into it and the contract is much closer to 64 million which is still a lot but he would be a cornerstone for at least 5 years. Getting him would have meant not depending on Springs who is injury prone and recovering from a major injury and would have given us the best corner combo in the league especially if we still signed smoot to be the nickel and backup corner to platoon with rogers.

Adalius Thomas, frankly I think that his versatility would have been a great fit here, he can play end on passing downs or cover and he was a solid strongside LB, I can forgive this one because we were pretty much set even though Washington was going under the knife. this would have given us amazing depth and im pretty sure he could have played in the middle (he is much bigger than fletcher.)

Now here are some things I am against.

1-Do not trade the 6th pick for anything less than a pro bowl player at either DE, DT or OL, frankly the closer to draft day the more value it has. If a stud QB drops too us we may have to take him, even if its to trade him ala Rivers.

2-Do not over pay for Jenkins, you would think this is common sence but already guys are talking about trading #1's and getting Jenkins, NO WAY, if the Panthers were willing to take a package of this years second day picks and up to next years third I'd say go ahead but otherwise Id say forget it and let someone else overpay for him. yes he was an outstanding DT but he has a lot of wear and tear on him (Carolina's D saw the field a lot over his career) He would be an outstanding pickup for what I and others have outlined but otherwise no thank you. If the Pathers picked up the junk at Dt that they have and still think they are set then that makes me wary(Chad lavalais? come on) If we were going to gte their first and second as well as jenkins Id say do it but this is not madden.

3-Do not trade next years first unless its for a top 5 pick and do not trade next years along with the #6, if Cambell does not pan out we will need to use that on a QB because frankly it all starts at QB and this will be Jasons only real shot as this team has always had high expectations and theres no way this teams fans will tolerate another Brunnell situation. I hope it doesnt come to that but....

4-Do not trade Betts unless we get some serious value and im not talking about a second or third rounder, he has a cheap contract and has proven capable of starting in the league and being productive the problem is the perception that good backs are a dime a dozen (even though thats not the case PRODUCTIVE backs are rare).

5-DO NOT TRADE SEAN SPRINGS, We are not going to get anything near his value anyway. besides, are you freaking kidding me he is the only elite Corner we have and frankly the difference he makes on this D is huge, the guys calling for us to trade him obviously don't watch games because when healthy he is a top 5 CB, he covers and plays the run, hopefully he gets healthy.

[leo2k2ndc]

Shawn Springs and top Cornerback should not be in the same sentence, him being a top 5 cb ***** what the freak, carlos might be better wih last year's experience

[Ryman of the North]

The simple fact is that springs is our best Corner and even if he is fragile he plays hard when he is in. Last year not having him in meant we could not blitz because our D had noconfidence in playing man, Springs is a great man corner. Rogers is solid and hopefully improves but he got worse last year not better because he had to cover #1's I love this team as much as anyone but Rogers is a solid #3 and a decent #2 at this point with potential to become a solid #1 Springs howvere is a legit#1 when healthy.

[jayneal7]

Shawn Springs and top Cornerback should not be in the same sentence, him being a top 5 cb ***** what the freak, carlos might be better wih last year's experience

maybe if you gave him gloves covered in Stick-um

[chipwhich]

My 2 cents...

I don't want any ex-ravens defenders. The Ravens have a defensive mindset and spirit that allows them to plug anyone in and see them succeed. Its a total mindset there. When their players leave they don't succeed like they did when with the Ravens. Because whomever goes on the field there knows they must play every down in dominate fashion.

That is my basic problem with how our front office runs things...compared to baltimores defense. Our mindset here is plug in free agents every year to fix problems rather than have a mindset of being winners with what we have. Our franchise doesn't have a winners mindset, and until they get that...we will remain in limbo.

Here our players have learn to accept failure. Adalius Thomas or Nate Clements can't fix that.

[Walking Deadman]

Re: Clements and Thomas- no cap sapce for either of them. Blame that on anything that the FO has done if you want, but there were plenty of teams that could have outbid us easily had we got into a bidding war.

Plus Thomas probably would have lined up as a DE here since he was a 3-4 OLB/ 4-3 DE tweener. He'll excell as a Patriot.........

Re:Your against views

1. If you're referring to a Briggs-like trade, I agree. But I doubt there is any team (with maybe except Carolina/Jenkins) willing to switch #1's and get a player. Doubt Carolina will do that w/o more picks (and we shouldn't blow more picks). If Quinn or Russell somehow drops to us, we should be willing to trade the pick w/o being stuck with the player IMO.

2. Agree.

3. How about-- DO NOT TRADE THE 2008 1st rounder Period!!!!!!
I'll never say never, but I don't think there's a really good trade that would be offered (in reality) worth blowing our 2008 1st right now. Definetly not a player in the draft worth it IMO (unlike the Campbell move)

4. Not for trading Betts at all. Name 1 team that doesn't have some sort of 2 RB tandem if only to spell the main guy. Now if there is a team that wants to give us a Champ Bailey caliber player and a second for Betts then maybe I'd be for it........

5. Agree. Springs is a perfect fit for this D and hopefully with Smoot, Macklin and Jimoh (plus anybody else that plays DB and makes the team) we should have some depth to spell Springs.

[bulldog]

Injuries, age on the DL and a lack of depth at corner killed the defense last year.

we have much better depth at corner now with the signings of Smoot and Macklin.

we now have a middle linebacker who is a leader and a sure tackler who can take on the tight ends and fullbacks in the box.

Marshall is back on the outside where he is best suited to play, which only increases or depth in case McIntosh is not ready to start.

what has been left to address is the DL. you have Griffin coming back hopefully healthy from offseason surgeries and a healthy Griffin improves the DL 25% by himself.

if Carter builds on his last 6-7 weeks of 2006 and carries that forward to 2007, the DE position will be much improved.

Golston should be bigger and stronger after another offseason of work in the weight room and should go from the 290 to 300 pound range to play DT.

My preference now, after much internal debate and see-sawing, is to KEEP the #6 pick and select Jamal Anderson.

Anderson has the size and power to be a true two-way DE for us in the 4-3 and the perfect complement to Carter on the other side.

Adams would have been a good pick if the Skins had not already invested money in a rush end in free agency in 2006. Adams and Carter are the same player. What this club needs is a stand the point of attack, run stuffer who can also motor a bit and get pressure when needed on the other side.

Yes, the team could move down and pick Carriker but I think Anderson is closer to being ready to step on the field and play.

[Ryman of the North]

Re: Clements and Thomas- no cap sapce for either of them. Blame that on anything that the FO has done if you want, but there were plenty of teams that could have outbid us easily had we got into a bidding war.

The myth of Redskins cap hell has come up every year that the NFL has had a cap, the bottom line is the one thing this FO is awesome at is getting around the Cap, our capologist deserves the nobel prize.

Plus Thomas probably would have lined up as a DE here since he was a 3-4 OLB/ 4-3 DE tweener. He'll excell as a Patriot.........

Actually he played OLB when they were in a 4-3 and he did fine, he was knonw for his crazy athleticism he once covered Chad Johnson downfield.

Re:Your against views

1. If you're referring to a Briggs-like trade, I agree. But I doubt there is any team (with maybe except Carolina/Jenkins) willing to switch #1's and get a player. Doubt Carolina will do that w/o more picks (and we shouldn't blow more picks). If Quinn or Russell somehow drops to us, we should be willing to trade the pick w/o being stuck with the player IMO.

Fair enough

2. Agree.

3. How about-- DO NOT TRADE THE 2008 1st rounder Period!!!!!!
I'll never say never, but I don't think there's a really good trade that would be offered (in reality) worth blowing our 2008 1st right now. Definetly not a player in the draft worth it IMO (unlike the Campbell move)

I agree unless a team was foolish enough to take our next years first(most likely low pick if we can fill some holes) for a top 10 pick getting a guy like Landry would solidify our secondary but its unlikely we could trick anyone into that as everyone wants to be better now not in 2 years.

4. Not for trading Betts at all. Name 1 team that doesn't have some sort of 2 RB tandem if only to spell the main guy. Now if there is a team that wants to give us a Champ Bailey caliber player and a second for Betts then maybe I'd be for it........

5. Agree. Springs is a perfect fit for this D and hopefully with Smoot, Macklin and Jimoh (plus anybody else that plays DB and makes the team) we should have some depth to spell Springs.

[Ryman of the North]

Injuries, age on the DL and a lack of depth at corner killed the defense last year.

we have much better depth at corner now with the signings of Smoot and Macklin.

we now have a middle linebacker who is a leader and a sure tackler who can take on the tight ends and fullbacks in the box.

Marshall is back on the outside where he is best suited to play, which only increases or depth in case McIntosh is not ready to start.

what has been left to address is the DL. you have Griffin coming back hopefully healthy from offseason surgeries and a healthy Griffin improves the DL 25% by himself.

if Carter builds on his last 6-7 weeks of 2006 and carries that forward to 2007, the DE position will be much improved.

Golston should be bigger and stronger after another offseason of work in the weight room and should go from the 290 to 300 pound range to play DT.

My preference now, after much internal debate and see-sawing, is to KEEP the #6 pick and select Jamal Anderson.

Anderson has the size and power to be a true two-way DE for us in the 4-3 and the perfect complement to Carter on the other side.

Adams would have been a good pick if the Skins had not already invested money in a rush end in free agency in 2006. Adams and Carter are the same player. What this club needs is a stand the point of attack, run stuffer who can also motor a bit and get pressure when needed on the other side.

Yes, the team could move down and pick Carriker but I think Anderson is closer to being ready to step on the field and play.

There is not one point I disagree with in that entire post, I admit I would love to get CJ if the circumstances were right but I would not be crying if we got Anderson.

[PorkSkins]

I would stay out of free agency until the end of preseason. There will be plenty of familiar names that will be cut right before the season starts. Then we can look for quality at a discount price. Right now IMO, we are only looking for role players outside of our one coveted draft pick.

[Walking Deadman]

The myth of Redskins cap hell has come up every year that the NFL has had a cap, the bottom line is the one thing this FO is awesome at is getting around the Cap, our capologist deserves the nobel prize.

True. How we have still been under the cap, yet trade Coles for Moss, sign and then cut Arch and sign so many of these guys to huge contracts is beyond me. However, I'd still argue that the niners and other teams would have outbid us for Clements.

Thomas wasn't a top priority and the FO showed restraint for not even taking a look at him (as far as I'm aware). Their goal was Fletcher and they achieved it. Smoot was a bonus IMO.

Actually he played OLB when they were in a 4-3 and he did fine, he was knonw for his crazy athleticism he once covered Chad Johnson downfield.

Yeah I know. He also lines up as a DE (so does Suggs- who can also play OLB) alot as well. What did suprise me as why the Skins didn't go after him was he's an excellent ST guy. But again, the FO target of need was MLB and not OLB.

I agree unless a team was foolish enough to take our next years first(most likely low pick if we can fill some holes) for a top 10 pick getting a guy like Landry would solidify our secondary but its unlikely we could trick anyone into that as everyone wants to be better now not in 2 years

See this is why I hope we can trade down and get a 2nd rounder (hopefully early 2nd). for our 2nd rounder you could go FS and draft either Nelson or Merriweather and still get a solid starter. If not then go Guard or TE

[bulldog]

truthfully, if the Redskins trade down I would like to see the team add TWO defensive linemen with the picks they acquire...........forget adding a TE or guard with a #2 pick at this point.

we aren't deep enough on defense at this point to go hunting early in round 2 for a backup for Chris Cooley.

[Walking Deadman]

truthfully, if the Redskins trade down I would like to see the team add TWO defensive linemen with the picks they acquire...........forget adding a TE or guard with a #2 pick at this point.

we aren't deep enough on defense at this point to go hunting early in round 2 for a backup for Chris Cooley.

Got any suggestions on who'd you take bulldog?
I'm assuming one would be a DE and one a DT.............

[Hamilbone13]

However I do like the way they have held onto our pick so far as its value only increases by the day.

...only because the Bears declined our offer!!

[leo2k2ndc]

...only because the Bears declined our offer!!

Thank goodness, that was our best off season move, not cracking to the bears demands