XBOX 360 vs. PS3

[PokerPacker]

we've only had an SNES die on us, and that was our fault for hooking it up to our car battery which is more power than the system needed. it worked on the car battery for a few years, but eventually just burned out. since then, never have we had a dead system. my other two SNES's are just fine, my gamecube hasn't had any problems, my NES is still up and running (and soon to be extremely awesome,) my n64 never had problems, my Dreamcast is just fine, my GBA and GBC are perfect. the only other problem i've had was in my original gameboys. they've been known to have dead screens every now and then.

[Disco Dave]

Here is head to head

Part 1 http://www.cnettv.com/9710-1_53-26047.html
Part 2 http://www.cnettv.com/9710-1_53-26147.html

That was bogus. She didn't even say anything about Bluetooth headsets or keyboards, or being able to video chat on the PS3 and no mention of Playstation Home. She also failed to talk about how the PS3 is being used for medical research. Folding@home. They tried to be objective and failed.

EDIT - She did mention bluetooth but not as much as that "satisfying vibration" the 360 controller has.

She talked about the 360 having removable face plates. Well, the PS3 has Skins that you can change.

http://www.decalgirl.com/browse.cfm/2,232.htm

[willmb5]

whatever happened to the good ole days of video game consoles playing video games. i dont need all this pc, bluetooth, videohosting stuff. since that's all im really interested in, sounds like the best buy is x box 360, especially since i preferred x box to ps2. it has a lot more games, same graphics, better controller IMO, and if i go with the elite i get a huge harddrive for music and stuff, i can upgrade to hddvd if i ever want to (probably wont tho) and the x box live is far superior.


sounds to me like x box 360 is the way to go unless youre looking for a computer system that also plays about 10 games. like someone else said, heath shuler also had loads of potential, so ill take the proven comodity now, and in 5 years if ps3 pans out, maybe then ill give it a chance

[willmb5]

also thanks to all of you for your comments and heated debated....Im sure they will continue on but i think ive got everything i needed.


thanks again

[JaimeDeCurry]

but as I tell people, I buy a game system to play games, not watch movies.

That sentence right there is why I think the 360 will "win" over the PS3. The huge majority of the people who go into the stores looking to get a next-gen system don't want a PC, or a BluRay player, or any of the "other" stuff that PS3 touts. They want a next-gen GAME system. If you can get a more established system, better game selection, better online gaming, and get it all for way cheaper than a PS3, then you do that. The huge majority of gamers don't have money just to throw around, so they're going to buy on the now, versus the potential of the system.

With the PS3, I can get:

PlayStation3 - $600
Extra controller - $50
HDMI cable - $60
Resistance - $60
Madden - $60
Total: $830.00

Versus the 360:

XBOX360 - $400
Two controllers - $80
HDAV cable - $43
Gears of War - $60
Madden - $60
Halo 2 - $60
Total - $703.00

So I get two extra controllers and the top three games on the market right now for my system, and still pay over $100 less than the PS3 bundle, where I would only get one controller and two games.

The average gamer looks at the PS3 extra stuff and goes "so what?" I don't need a BluRay player, I don't have any BluRays. I don't need a web browser, I already have my laptop. Why would I want to pay extra for all that? The 360 got in right, IMO. If I want the wi-fi or HDDVD hookup for the 360, I can go out and get them. But if I don't want/need those things, why force me to purchase them? The PS3 forces me to pay for stuff I'm not going to use.

[hkHog]

That sentence right there is why I think the 360 will "win" over the PS3. The huge majority of the people who go into the stores looking to get a next-gen system don't want a PC, or a BluRay player, or any of the "other" stuff that PS3 touts. They want a next-gen GAME system. If you can get a more established system, better game selection, better online gaming, and get it all for way cheaper than a PS3, then you do that. The huge majority of gamers don't have money just to throw around, so they're going to buy on the now, versus the potential of the system.

With the PS3, I can get:

PlayStation3 - $600
Extra controller - $50
HDMI cable - $60
Resistance - $60
Madden - $60
Total: $830.00

Versus the 360:

XBOX360 - $400
Two controllers - $80
HDAV cable - $43
Gears of War - $60
Madden - $60
Halo 2 - $60
Total - $703.00

So I get two extra controllers and the top three games on the market right now for my system, and still pay over $100 less than the PS3 bundle, where I would only get one controller and two games.

The average gamer looks at the PS3 extra stuff and goes "so what?" I don't need a BluRay player, I don't have any BluRays. I don't need a web browser, I already have my laptop. Why would I want to pay extra for all that? The 360 got in right, IMO. If I want the wi-fi or HDDVD hookup for the 360, I can go out and get them. But if I don't want/need those things, why force me to purchase them? The PS3 forces me to pay for stuff I'm not going to use.

That's what you might think. However, the Blu Ray drive was put in the PS3 for games. Already games like Blue Dragon on the Xbox 360 are taking up 3 DVDs and the guys at Rockstar are saying that the DVD drive and lack of standard HD in the 360 are gimping GTA IV. In addition, Hideo Kojima, the creator of the Metal Gear Solid series, says that he needs the new 50GB dual layer Blu Ray disks for Metal Gear Solid 4 to fit everything (this is why this game won't go to 360, what is it going to come on 5 DVDs?). In addition, Epic Games, the maker of Gears of War has said that they are going to have to cut most of Unreal Tournament 3 to fit on the 360 as it is currently over 30GB. And speaking of Gears of War, it was an awesome game but it took less than ten hours to beat and filled the entire DVD. No doubt it could have been a lot longer and better on PS3. The Blu Ray drive is in there for future games. Imagine if the PS2 and Xbox had stuck with the CD drive, games like GTA 3 would have never been possible. In a few months, starting with MGS4, games will truly start to use the full capacity of the Blu Ray drive and you will see things from the PS3 that simply aren't possible on the Xbox 360. Make no mistake, the PS3 was designed solely as a game machine but it is so flexible and powerful that it is ideally suited for other applications as well.

[willmb5]

That's what you might think. However, the Blu Ray drive was put in the PS3 for games. Already games like Blue Dragon on the Xbox 360 are taking up 3 DVDs and the guys at Rockstar are saying that the DVD drive and lack of standard HD in the 360 are gimping GTA IV. In addition, Hideo Kojima, the creator of the Metal Gear Solid series, says that he needs the new 50GB dual layer Blu Ray disks for Metal Gear Solid 4 to fit everything (this is why this game won't go to 360, what is it going to come on 5 DVDs?). In addition, Epic Games, the maker of Gears of War has said that they are going to have to cut most of Unreal Tournament 3 to fit on the 360 as it is currently over 30GB. And speaking of Gears of War, it was an awesome game but it took less than ten hours to beat and filled the entire DVD. No doubt it could have been a lot longer and better on PS3. The Blu Ray drive is in there for future games. Imagine if the PS2 and Xbox had stuck with the CD drive, games like GTA 3 would have never been possible. In a few months, starting with MGS4, games will truly start to use the full capacity of the Blu Ray drive and you will see things from the PS3 that simply aren't possible on the Xbox 360. Make no mistake, the PS3 was designed solely as a game machine but it is so flexible and powerful that it is ideally suited for other applications as well.

is the 360 elite suited for these games?

[hkHog]

is the 360 elite suited for these games?

No, it still uses the regular DVD drive. MS can't really upgrade the 360 to use an HD-DVD or Blu Ray drive FOR GAMES now because this would leave the 9 million + people who have already bought 360s in the cold. The 360 uses very advanced compression methods to fit games on DVDs otherwise none of the next gen games would fit but it can only go so far. The PS3 uses these methods as well even with a drive that has 5.5x the storage space (9GB for 360 DVDs vs. 50GB for PS3 Blu Ray disks). It is not an issue now (except in Metal Gear Solid 4 and GTA IV) but in a year or so the DVD drive in the 360 will be a limiting factor in next gen games. Developers who want to create truly massive next gen games will be forced to develop on the PS3.

Note: Remember that there are 153,600 pixels in each frame of a 480i video signal (240 horizontal lines x 640 vertical), the signal used by standard definition televisions and what the PS2 and Xbox outputted. A 1080p signal, the highest quality HD signal that is produced by the PS3 and Xbox 360 has 2,073,600 pixels per frame (1080 x 1920), 13.5 times more than 480i. Therefore, all textures and videos in 1080p games must be 10-15 times more detailed than they were in the last console generation and there were a number of PS2 and Xbox games that came on multiple DVDs. And this is even before we start to look at 5.1 and 7.1 audio. How on earth are the truly massive and epic games of this generation going to fit on the 360s DVDs!? This is the main problem I see with the Xbox 360 looking into the future. As I said before, Blue Dragon is already taking up 3 DVDs on 360 and Rockstar and Epic are complaining about this and Hideo Kojima says MGS4 won't work on the 360 because it is too epic in scope.

[hkHog]

Just to show you, this is what Dan Houser, the creative VP at Rockstar games was saying in 2004 before the release of GTA3: San Andreas:

On filling up DVDs: “One area that I’m really involved in is creating the audio assets – I think we’ll have well over 400 speaking parts, which is insanity. The amount of studio time we’re having to get through and the amount of writing that’s involved, we’re more worried about getting it on the disc. That’s our initial challenge. We’re having to go to dual layer DVD because we’ve already filled up a full DVD.

On unbridled ambition: “This is the thing about having a very ambitious team. Everyone, every section pushes every other section, nobody wants to be the guy that isn’t pushing as hard as possible. Everyone wants there bit to be the bit that people remember from the game. There’s a lot of internal competition and pressure to do the best that they can do. You know, ‘How can we tie that in together?’ And suddenly you’re like, ‘Oh ****, it needs another 10,000 extra audio samples or another 50 pedestrian models. Oh well, it’s worth it; don’t let the side down…’ There’s a really good energy like that. The danger is currently the storage medium (DVD), and one we thing we’re all praying for in the next round of hardware is that they don’t just go, ‘It’s DVD again’. We’ve done some clever stuff with compressing it, but we were virtually full on the disc with Vice City – this time we’re overfilling the disc to the max.”

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56025

And then what he said last recently about GTA IV:

OPM asked, "On PS3 you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage, whereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format. Does that create limitations?"

Houser replied quickly and succinctly, "Yep." He added, "To be honest with you we haven't solved all those riddles yet."

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16019

[hkHog]

Finally, just to prove some of the power of the PS3, here are some of the latest pics from Gran Turismo HD and some real life photos for comparison. Can you tell which is which!?








I have yet to see the Xbox 360 do anything that even comes CLOSE to this!!!

[Reic]

Finally, just to prove some of the power of the PS3, here are some of the latest pics from Gran Turismo HD and some real life photos for comparison. Can you tell which is which!?


I have yet to see the Xbox 360 do anything that even comes CLOSE to this!!!

Key word is yet...

Has that GT game even been released?

[hkHog]

Key word is yet...

Has that GT game even been released?

Yes, as a playable demo.

You seem to have a lot of faith in the 360, do you really think it can handle a game as photorealistic as GT!? What makes you think that the 360 can EVER do that?

[Enter Apotheosis]

Only the future will tell.

No kidding. The PS2 and Xbox were so similar that the only significant advantage was release date... the Xbox's only real strength was that it was slightly more powerful with slightly better graphics. As a result, they lost out to the PS2 exclusive games.

I'd just as easily deem the PS3 destined for the same fate as the Xbox if it weren't for the fact that its competing consoles take very different approaches. The 360 gives you a cheaper base system and stardard hardware with the option to stock up on peripherals, the PS3 gives you almost everything you need out of the box with very unique hardware for a premium price, and the Wii is in a league of its own with an entirely different gameplay experience.

Saying that anyone has won yet is just dumb.

Key word is yet...

Has that GT game even been released?

The cars look awfully nice in demo form.

[Jaded-Dragon]

That sentence right there is why I think the 360 will "win" over the PS3. The huge majority of the people who go into the stores looking to get a next-gen system don't want a PC, or a BluRay player, or any of the "other" stuff that PS3 touts. They want a next-gen GAME system. If you can get a more established system, better game selection, better online gaming, and get it all for way cheaper than a PS3, then you do that. The huge majority of gamers don't have money just to throw around, so they're going to buy on the now, versus the potential of the system.

With the PS3, I can get:

PlayStation3 - $600
Extra controller - $50
HDMI cable - $60
Resistance - $60
Madden - $60
Total: $830.00

Versus the 360:

XBOX360 - $400
Two controllers - $80
HDAV cable - $43
Gears of War - $60
Madden - $60
Halo 2 - $60
Total - $703.00

So I get two extra controllers and the top three games on the market right now for my system, and still pay over $100 less than the PS3 bundle, where I would only get one controller and two games.

The average gamer looks at the PS3 extra stuff and goes "so what?" I don't need a BluRay player, I don't have any BluRays. I don't need a web browser, I already have my laptop. Why would I want to pay extra for all that? The 360 got in right, IMO. If I want the wi-fi or HDDVD hookup for the 360, I can go out and get them. But if I don't want/need those things, why force me to purchase them? The PS3 forces me to pay for stuff I'm not going to use.

I see what you are saying about not wanting/needing the features. But, lets just for the sake or arguement say that you do want the HDDVD drive and the wi-fi connectivity, what does that do to your price? Or even if you just want the HDDVD drive, all of a sudden you are paying much more than what a PS3 cost, and even then, the HDDVD drive is not for playing games, it's strictly for movies. Not with the Bluray drive on PS3 though.

Not that I'm making a case for PS3, I don't own it, just pointing out what I know as fact.

[Reic]

Yes, as a playable demo.

You seem to have a lot of faith in the 360, do you really think it can handle a game as photorealistic as GT!? What makes you think that the 360 can EVER do that?

Because microsoft isn't stupid? And I have played Oblivion, and PGR 3.

And I am sure if microsoft needs too they will just put games on HD-DVD.

Then the issue price comes, up, so what? 200 bucks for an HD-DVD player that plays movies and games in fine in my book as opposed to putting down 600+ bucks on a new console.

PS3 and 360 will be fine.

I have nothing against the PS3, if I had the money for it, I would buy it.

I am sure these same debates went on when it came to the ps2 and the xbox as well.