Brady vs. Manning

[DieHardWSHfan]

Brady. Manning has all the stats, no arguement there. But who did he get those stats with? Harrison? Wayne? Edge? Clark? An incredible OLine? Pretty much. Brady had a great OLine, but not much else besides Branch, and even he isn't as good as Harrison and only arguably better than Wayne.

A QB's job is more than putting up 300 yds a game. It's more than getting 49 TDs in a season.

It's being a leader. As the quarterback, you are entrusted with the reins to the entire offense. Manning was given gold-trimmed leather reins. Brady was given threadbare pieces of cotton.

Yet who led their team more efficiently? Who didn't fold? All Manning had to do was play his cards right. Even then, instead of taking the blame himself, he would blame his line when they lost games. That is not a great QB.

Brady had to rise from being picked on the second day of the draft, rise up to being starter and command respect from every single one of his teammates. And guess what? He did it better than most can claim, and better than most will ever claim. 3 Superbowls in 4 years from dirt. As far as football goes, Brady is the true rags to riches story, figuratively speaking.

Which QB do I want to lead my team? Brady. Why? Because I want 3 Superbowls!

[dfos81]

Brady. Manning has all the stats, no arguement there. But who did he get those stats with? Harrison? Wayne? Edge? Clark? An incredible OLine? Pretty much. Brady had a great OLine, but not much else besides Branch, and even he isn't as good as Harrison and only arguably better than Wayne.

A QB's job is more than putting up 300 yds a game. It's more than getting 49 TDs in a season.

It's being a leader. As the quarterback, you are entrusted with the reins to the entire offense. Manning was given gold-trimmed leather reins. Brady was given threadbare pieces of cotton.

Yet who led their team more efficiently? Who didn't fold? All Manning had to do was play his cards right. Even then, instead of taking the blame himself, he would blame his line when they lost games. That is not a great QB.

Brady had to rise from being picked on the second day of the draft, rise up to being starter and command respect from every single one of his teammates. And guess what? He did it better than most can claim, and better than most will ever claim. 3 Superbowls in 4 years from dirt. As far as football goes, Brady is the true rags to riches story, figuratively speaking.

Which QB do I want to lead my team? Brady. Why? Because I want 3 Superbowls!

Also Brady boasts the seventh best passer rating in NFL history, better than Marino, Favre, McNabb and many of the other modern-era QBs mentioned among the all-time greats.
He’s done it all without a single offensive player by his side who’s been voted to the Pro Bowl!!!!!!

No quarterback in NFL history has posted stats that compare to Brady’s without a bevy of Pro Bowlers and Hall of Famers surrounding them.

Quick note at how well Manning did this last Postseason 06.

Qb rating=70.5( not even as good as Romo's 89.6 postseason rating). Heck even younger bro Eli had a higher rating in the playoffs 85.6 and P. Manning is supposed to be the best?

I think maybe the best in Regular season play but not at all the best in postseason play. In 07 postseason and Superbowl, Manning does this?
tds=3
ints=7
I guess Manning carried his team throughout kinda like Brady(w/ 0 probowlers around him on Offense), Yeah right, Colts D won it for Manning, who woulda thunk it.

I'll take the Qb that has the better ratings come postseason play, has the most playoff WINS in the playoffs, and just doesn't lose games(as often as Manning) for his team, what more can you want in a franchise qb. Don't even try and compare Brady vs. Manning head to head in the postseason

Check it---> Brady's playoff perfection if thats possible:
Argue w/ this Manning fans
* Denotes Super Bowl
Date Opponent Comp Att Yds TD Int Score

Jan. 19, 2002 Oakland 32 52 312 0 1 W 16-13 (OT)

Jan. 27, 2002 at Pitt 12 18 115 0 0 W 24-17

*Feb. 3, 2002 St. Loui 16 27 145 1 0 W 20-17

Jan. 10, 2004 Titans 21 41 201 1 0 W 17-14

Jan. 18, 2004 Colts 22 37 237 1 1 W 24-14

*Feb. 1, 2004 Carolina 32 48 354 3 1 W 32-29---> Brady sets superbowl qb record for completions (32) has Manning broke any qb records in the postseason? or superbowl?

Jan. 16, 2005 Colts 18 27 144 1 0 W 20-3

Jan. 23, 2005 at Pitt 14 21 207 2 0 W 41-27

*Feb. 6, 2005 Phili 23 33 236 2 0 W 24-21

Jan. 7, 2006 Jax 15 27 201 3 0 W 28-3

Jan. 14, 2006 Broncos 20 36 341 1 2 L 13-27

Jan. 7, 2007 Jets 22 34 212 2 0 W 37-16

Jan. 14, 2007 Chargers 27 51 280 2 3 W 24-21

Jan. 21, 2007 Colts 21 34 232 1 1 L 34-38
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Totals: att:295 comp:486 yds:3217 Tds:20 Ints:8....what about Trent Dilfer?, Doug Williams?, any Qb in this decade? .
They didn't do this and neither has Manning.

Most important stat for the postseason for any Qb: 12 wins 2 losses and 3 superbowls(what about Dilfer, Doug Williams, etc. hahahah, they didn't do this and neither has any of the other qbs mentioned)
Brady the only qb to ever win 10 playoff games in a row to start career. When Manning can compare to these numbers in postseason, then I'll reconsider.
Like I said earlier in this thread, I'll take the Qb w/ the better numbers in the postseason, more wins in the postseason, more mvps, and of course more Superbowls over any Qb.
Until then Now we can close this thread, by Dfos81

[Siven]

That's very true about the 3rd down completion percentage. But if a QB cant perform well in the clutch, you wont go too far. Just like Manning when he folded those times with the Pats...if he was a little more relaxed in those games, the Colts could've won them. But his INT's cost them the game IMO. There were alot of times they were in the redzone, and he threw INT's, when they could've been td's or field goals. I have never seen a QB tap dance as much as him when the pressure is on. I just feel Brady is a much more complete QB than Manning, but that may just be me.

Patriots run a 3-4 defense, something Peyton struggles with. Furthermore, not only do the Patriots run a 3-4, but they are a stud defense. Colts had what? a crap defense most of the times they showed down. The only times the Colts have beat the Patriots, it was due to Peyton carrying his team.

[SkinsFTW]

You mean like how he's thrown game-clinching interceptions against Denver, San Diego, and Indianapolis?

That's three out of his last four playoff games.

Personally, I think he's lost his swagger when it comes to pressure.

Do you have any idea how many playoff games Montana lost? A lot more than you think. Some weren't even close games either. Brady has 2 playoff losses (3 if you think Oakland got screwed).

The difference between Brady and Manning is that Brady has won most of them, unlike Manning who has played like a scrub in most of his. Brady has also had average to bad skill position players while the Colts entire offense has been above average for years.

Imagine Manning with nobody receivers almost pulling off a road championship game. No way that happens. He could barely get the home win with the Pats gifting it to them.

[SkinsFTW]

People say that and make the argument that it's because Manning has a better supporting cast to help out. But the fact of the matter is that Brady's defense was always far surperior to Manning's. They say "Manning has Harrison and Wayne". Well, both of these guys have only played with Manning, so who is to say it isn't HIM making THEM look so good?

Think about it...

You'd have a point if the fact wasn't that the Colts have sucked when teams didnt score many points against them in the playoffs.

From 1999-2005 the Colts are 2-5 against teams that scored 24 or less on their defense winning only against the Broncos twice at home in their dome.

Manning, James, Harrison, Wayne and a great OL and kicker should be able to put up more than 16, 17, 0, 3, 14 in games where their defense didn't suck.

Manning just wasn't very good.

Here are some postseason stats to think about.

Brady 295 486 3217 20 9 12W-2L
Manning 290 475 3495 18 15 7W-6L

Is this close?

Do we look back and say that Warren Moon was a better QB than Montana? Nope, because he couldn't do anything in the postseason desipte having a great offense around him.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

Manning is the better QB but Brady is associated with a much better coaching staff and a much better overall scheme. Manning would have just as many Super Bowls on the Pats as Brady does. And Brady would have maybe won one if that with the Colts.

[dfos81]

Do you have any idea how many playoff games Montana lost? A lot more than you think. Some weren't even close games either. Brady has 2 playoff losses (3 if you think Oakland got screwed).

The difference between Brady and Manning is that Brady has won most of them, unlike Manning who has played like a scrub in most of his. Brady has also had average to bad skill position players while the Colts entire offense has been above average for years.

Imagine Manning with nobody receivers almost pulling off a road championship game. No way that happens. He could barely get the home win with the Pats gifting it to them.

Add this to my post above and this thread should be closed. Manning has proven to be an average postseason player w/ better talent around, bottom line.

[RedskinsNation]

Brady has had the luxury of great defenses on the other side of the ball.

Manning has had subpar defenses on the other side of the ball.

Brady has had subpar WR's and Manning has had good WR's. It all goes both ways IMHO. Brady has made Troy Browns and David Pattens into heros while Manning turned Brandon Stoakly into a household name (and fantasy legend).

I think BRADY WAS BETTER than Manning overall but i'd say right now Manning has taken the torch. Head to head Peyton has won the last 4 times they have met or something? I'd go with Manning right now.

I would bet that Manning will finish with equal to or more SB's than Brady when their careers are over.

[pjfootballer]

Did Peyton single handidly win his 1st superbowl? Don't think so bro. Next.....

If you wanna get technical, the team won those superbowls, not any single player.

So did you read the entire thread or did you just come in for the sole purpose of bashing me? I was responding to a post that proclaimed that the reason the Patriots won their SB's, was because of Brady. I said it wasn't true. Dirk and I talked it out and everything is good. Are you Rosenhouse?

Next!!!

[dfos81]

I was responding to a post that proclaimed that the reason the Patriots won their SB's, was because of Brady. Next!!!

brady's the man. imho he won the 1st superbowl for the pats, now technically speaking the team won, but we all know who the mvp is.