Skins Pass/Run Ratios Since Offense Opened Up

[Oldfan]

We know that the skins have "opened up" the offense. Here's what the stats look like on the pass/run ratios:

First nine games: 309 runs, 263 passes 1.175 to 1 run-to-pass

Last five games: 120 runs, 201 passes 1.675 to 1 pass-to-run

Dallas: 54 passes, 14 runs
Tampa: 49 passes, 28 runs
Buffalo: 37 passes, 25 runs
Chicago: 36 passes, 20 runs
Giants: 25 passes, 33 runs (high winds)

Note: QB runs are not included

EDIT: An article in the Washington Post 12/23 claims that the Vikings at 55% and Redskins at 48% are run-dominant teams. The above stats show that the 48% number is misleading. The Skins were at 54% for the first nine games and 37% for the past five.

[[[ghost]]]

I sincerely believe that if we allow Collins to sit back, and find the open guy, and don't expect him to win it for us, we'll do okay offensively. Stretch plays will be key in the run game. Most of all, stopping AP/CT will be vital.

[Ax]

So, excluding the Giants game, "opening up" has netted a 1-3 record.
Compared to a 6-4 record using the "unopened" approach.

The only ratio that matters is, making plays-to-NOT making plays.

When you make plays, it doesn't matter whether it's a pass or a run.

[Oldfan]

So, excluding the Giants game, "opening up" has netted a 1-3 record.
Compared to a 6-4 record using the "unopened" approach.

The only ratio that matters is, making plays-to-NOT making plays.

When you make plays, it doesn't matter whether it's a pass or a run.

The sample size is too small to support your conclusion.You don't win in the NFL without a strong passing game. The Dallas loss was our best game of the season. The 6-4 record includes OT wins over the Jets and Dolphins who have four wins combined on the season.

Tomorrow, we play a team that is tops in the league at running the football and stopping the run, yet they're vulnerable because they can't pass or defend the pass well. We'd be insane to stubbornly pound the run against the Vikings. We did that last year and lost in the opener.

[Ax]

The sample size is too small to support your conclusion.You don't win in the NFL without a strong passing game. The Dallas loss was our best game of the season. The 6-4 record includes OT wins over the Jets and Dolphins who have four wins combined on the season.

Tomorrow, we play a team that is tops in the league at running the football and stopping the run, yet they're vulnerable because they can't pass or defend the pass well. We'd be insane to stubbornly pound the run against the Vikings. We did that last year and lost in the opener.

The only ratio that matters is, making plays-to-NOT making plays.

When you make plays, it doesn't matter whether it's a pass or a run.

This is my only conclusion.

Just having fun with the rest.

[ddub52]

I would be willing to bet that our average yards per rush has now gone up

[Peregrine]

That stretch of 5 games have actually been the Redskins best stretch of football, with the exception of the Detroit game. On the season the Skins average allowing more points then they have scored. This still occurs even if you take out our blowout win(Lions) and blowout loss)Pats. However in our last 5 games we have outscored opponents 98-90(or 19.6 to 18 a game). This includes games against the 9-5 Giants, 7-7 Bills, and the division winning Bucs and Cowboys. 3 of the 5 were away games.

Further, in those 5 games, we allowed less points on defense then the season average, put up more yards(355, enough to put us at the top of the NFL), allowed less yards, and had greater time of possession(*gasp*). So what is our problem in that span? We fumbled the ball 7 times compared to our opponents 2. Of the 3 games we lost, we gave away the games to Dallas(easy TD's for TO), TB(4 turnovers in the first quarter?) and Buffalo(ugh).

Heres to hoping the coaches have taken notice of our success the past 5 games, and keep with the gameplan.

[Oldfan]

I would be willing to bet that our average yards per rush has now gone up

I think you lose on that one. It's at 3.8 now, earlier in the year, it was at 4.0

[SKINS FAN #56]

Wow I didn't realized we had passed so much in recent games.

[Oldfan]

That stretch of 5 games have actually been the Redskins best stretch of football, with the exception of the Detroit game. On the season the Skins average allowing more points then they have scored. This still occurs even if you take out our blowout win(Lions) and blowout loss)Pats. However in our last 5 games we have outscored opponents 98-90(or 19.6 to 18 a game). This includes games against the 9-5 Giants, 7-7 Bills, and the division winning Bucs and Cowboys. 3 of the 5 were away games.

Further, in those 5 games, we allowed less points on defense then the season average, put up more yards(355, enough to put us at the top of the NFL), allowed less yards, and had greater time of possession(*gasp*). So what is our problem in that span? We fumbled the ball 7 times compared to our opponents 2. Of the 3 games we lost, we gave away the games to Dallas(easy TD's for TO), TB(4 turnovers in the first quarter?) and Buffalo(ugh).

Heres to hoping the coaches have taken notice of our success the past 5 games, and keep with the gameplan.

That's a good breakdown.

I'm aligned with the Belichick school on offensive gameplanning. You take what the defense gives you. We gave them the run up the middle and the underneath passes and they killed us by taking it, and taking it, and....

We have to throw against the Vikes. When we run, we run wide -- away from their fatties in the middle.

[bulldog]

the Redskins are finding that most of the top clubs are using the spread formation to run their offenses. Move defenders outside of the box and allow the offense to attack the entire field. we were not doing that before.

the team's record in games they had a higher run to pass ratio is not indicative of how effective the new approach is likely to be as those games were earlier on against poor clubs like the Dolphins, Jets and Cardinals that the Redskins were likely to defeat.

Gibbs and Co. have recognized that the Redskins can't beat teams like Dallas or the Giants playing that type of game.

If the team had taken this more flexible approach in some other contests, including the Green Bay game the Redskins might have that one additional victory that would already have this team in playoff position.

[Oldfan]

the Redskins are finding that most of the top clubs are using the spread formation to run their offenses. Move defenders outside of the box and allow the offense to attack the entire field. we were not doing that before.

Right. We began using the spread in the Eagles game and Campbell handled it well. Campbell was in the shotgun 23 of 58 offensive plays against Dallas (over 40 percent) but I haven't checked it since.

Against the Giants, our big plays mostly came from the gun including a run by Portis and Betts's TD gallop.

[Peregrine]

I'm aligned with the Belichick school on offensive gameplanning. You take what the defense gives you. We gave them the run up the middle and the underneath passes and they killed us by taking it, and taking it, and....

We have to throw against the Vikes. When we run, we run wide -- away from their fatties in the middle.

I agree, I love to run the ball. But the fact of the matter is you cant if there are 9 men in the box. My philosophy(if the Redskins ever asked, im not holding my breath), is take what the other team expects you to do, and then dont do it. That is right until the point in the game where they give up on you doing it. Then do it. Then the moment they readjust, do the opposite. When a team stacks the box, pass the ball downfield. Do it until they stop packing the box and then run it. Alot of people on here want us to run the ball all day long, yet they fail to understand that they best way to open up the running game is to open up the passing game. After that happens, the running game becomes second nature. We played the Colts last year and at the time they had the NFLs worst rushing defense, and we had one of the best running games. They stuffed us. Why? Because they KNEW we were going to run, and they played it all game long.

The reason the Pats are so dominant, is there is just no way to defense them. You cant focus on Moss, because theres Stallworth and Welker(not because they force the ball to Moss). You cant focus on the pass, because they will then just run all over you, or throw short routes. You can focus on the run because, well, we all know. They adjust to what the defense is doing. So wouldnt it be wise to try and learn from the best of the best?

Do I want to be passing the ball 35 times a game? No. But we have to until we can gain respect doing it.

[Oldfan]

We played the Colts last year and at the time they had the NFLs worst rushing defense, and we had one of the best running games. They stuffed us. Why? Because they KNEW we were going to run, and they played it all game long.

In last year's opener, the Vikes beat us at FedEx when we were stubbornly trying to run the ball against their number one run defense even when behind in the second half.

Belichick didn't have a starting quality WR on his roster last year, but still had Brady in the shotgun spread for all but seven offensive plays. They blew out the Vikes 31-7

[zoony]

The sample size is too small to support your [any] conclusion.

I guess I'm curious why you posted it then.