Skins Pass/Run Ratios Since Offense Opened Up

[Oldfan]

I guess I'm curious why you posted it then.

The sample size of wins and losses (1-3) is much smaller than the sample size of 464 passes and 429 runs.

[NewCliche21]

The sample size is too small to support your conclusion.

Not to be a jerk, but if that's true, then how does your reserach in anyway validate ANYONE's point?

Thus, what was the point of posting it in the first place?

[Oldfan]

Not to be a jerk, but if that's true, then how does your reserach in anyway validate ANYONE's point?

Thus, what was the point of posting it in the first place?

You and zoony are confused.

Ax made this argument:

So, excluding the Giants game, "opening up" has netted a 1-3 record.

And, I responded that his sample size of four games was too small (to draw any conclusions about the success of opening up the offense). That sample size has nothing to do with the ratios I offered which were based on almost 900 plays.

[Darth Tater]

We know that the skins have "opened up" the offense. Here's what the stats look like on the pass/run ratios:

First nine games: 309 runs, 263 passes 1.175 to 1 run-to-pass

Last five games: 120 runs, 201 passes 1.675 to 1 pass-to-run

Dallas: 54 passes, 14 runs
Tampa: 49 passes, 28 runs
Buffalo: 37 passes, 25 runs
Chicago: 36 passes, 20 runs
Giants: 25 passes, 33 runs (high winds)

Note: QB runs are not included

Redskins have NOT "opened up" the offense. Pass to run ratio has nothing to do with "opening up" an offense, "opening up" an offense has to do with were those passes are going (downfield) and when those passes are thrown (early versus late). Our passing game was much more wide open over the first 3 games and the last game than the other 12.

[NewCliche21]

You and zoony are confused.

Ax made this argument:



And, I responded that his sample size of four games was too small (to draw any conclusions about the success of opening up the offense). That sample size has nothing to do with the ratios I offered which were based on almost 900 plays.

Oooh, okay, gotcha.

[Oldfan]

Redskins have NOT "opened up" the offense. Pass to run ratio has nothing to do with "opening up" an offense, "opening up" an offense has to do with were those passes are going (downfield) and when those passes are thrown (early versus late). Our passing game was much more wide open over the first 3 games and the last game than the other 12.

I define "opening up the offense" as abandoning the conservative, run-dominant scheme. If you want to define it differently, it's okay with me. But, if I don't recognize you as the authority on the football terms used in this forum, you'll just have to grin and bear it.

[Darth Tater]

I define "opening up the offense" as abandoning the conservative, run-dominant scheme. If you want to define it differently, it's okay with me. But, if I don't recognize you as the authority on the football terms used in this forum, you'll just have to grin and bear it.

So, you think because we trade an aggresive, run-dominant scheme with a long ball passing game for a wimp dog, super-conservative passing game is "opening up"?

[Oldfan]

So, you think because we trade an aggresive, run-dominant scheme with a long ball passing game for a wimp dog, super-conservative passing game is "opening up"?

Twist it any way you like.

[Nafniksder]

In last year's opener, the Vikes beat us at FedEx when we were stubbornly trying to run the ball against their number one run defense even when behind in the second half.

Belichick didn't have a starting quality WR on his roster last year, but still had Brady in the shotgun spread for all but seven offensive plays. They blew out the Vikes 31-7

Great point, I really liked the game plan that the Pats used last year when they beat the vikes. I also noticed that the Pats took aim at their LBs in coverage I think Cooley can have a huge game if we take that approach. I also like the game plan which we we used last year against Jacksonville because they also have two Outstanding DTs. HTTR

[Oldfan]

Great point, I really liked the game plan that the Pats used last year when they beat the vikes. I also noticed that the Pats took aim at their LBs in coverage I think Cooley can have a huge game if we take that approach. I also like the game plan which we we used last year against Jacksonville because they also have two Outstanding DTs. HTTR

I won't remember it exactly but Darren Sharper was quoted after the Patriots loss to the effect that his team was embarrassed and how simple it was. Brady just sat back there and picked them apart.

I think they've improved their personnel, but I think their secondary is hurting a bit too.

[zoony]

Bottom line Oldfan, what are you saying here?

[Oldfan]

Bottom line Oldfan, what are you saying here?

I'm providing information for Redskins fans who want to be well-informed. The statistics quantify what alert fans already realized, the Skins offense is now running less and passing more than in the first half of the season. I put numbers on that vague observation.

[TheLongshot]

In last year's opener, the Vikes beat us at FedEx when we were stubbornly trying to run the ball against their number one run defense even when behind in the second half.

Your memory must be faulty, because we had 28 pass attempts to 24 run attempts. If anything, it was the Vikes who were stubborn running the ball, running Chester Taylor 31 times in that game, running for an average of 2.8 yards a carry.

The problem wasn't trying to run the ball too much, but the fact that we couldn't execute consistently.. Maybe in that case we should have been more stubborn sticking to the run.

Jason

[Oldfan]

Your memory must be faulty, because we had 28 pass attempts to 24 run attempts. If anything, it was the Vikes who were stubborn running the ball, running Chester Taylor 31 times in that game, running for an average of 2.8 yards a carry.

My memory of that game is just fine. Your stats are deceptive.

It was a very typical Redskins loss. We held a four-point halftime lead and tried to sit on it. Of our 28 pass attempts, 11 came in the fourth quarter. We ran more than we passed through the first three quarters (22-17) even when we fell behind in the third quarter.

That was the game where Joe called a timeout to decide whether to go for it on fourth and one or take a 22 yard FG. He took the FG to tie at 16-16.

Brad Johnson threw 30 times in that game so the Vikings didn't stubbornly pound the football on us as you implied. They were pretty balanced through four quarters until they closed the game out.

[Ax]

If the team had taken this more flexible approach in some other contests, including the Green Bay game the Redskins might have that one additional victory that would already have this team in playoff position.

Of course, catching half the balls that were dropped against Green Bay may of helped too.

Run or pass, if you don't execute, you don't win.

Ratio don't mean jack, compared to execution.