Evolutionism and Creationism?

[Om]

Has anyone defined "evolution" for pursposes of this discussion yet? As distinguishied from, say, natural selection?

For that matter, have we defined "creationism" yet? I trust we've simply acepted as the default setting that we're talking about the Christian model here, and not, say, Inuit or Mongol or Ancient Egyptian or Cherokee or Druid or Islam or Aztec or Yanomamo or Dinka or ... ?

[SkinsNut73]

Originally posted by Hitman56
Here's what I don't get. If you believe in creationism and the Garden of Eden story... ok Adam and Eve had 2 sons: Cain and Abel. One of them killed the other. That leaves Eve as the only woman on earth to procreate with her son?

Adam and Eve continue to have children. Perhaps Cain sleeps with his sister, not him mom, and bears more children? This could be considered okay IN THAT TIME because the Law (10 Commandments along with some 600+ other laws in the Old Testament) has not been given yet. They lived under a different dispensation.

[docdru]

Originally posted by SkinsNut73


Adam and Eve continue to have children. Perhaps Cain sleeps with his sister, not him mom, and bears more children? This could be considered okay IN THAT TIME because the Law (10 Commandments along with some 600+ other laws in the Old Testament) has not been given yet. They lived under a different dispensation.

Either way, if you believe in that hoopla, we're all inbreds.

Seriously though, creationism? Wow, I think I'm dumber for having clicked on this link.

[MrWill]

Originally posted by jpillian
Okay, no time for the argument -- gotta get to work. Will try to post tonight. I'm definitely a Creationist; which does NOT preclude Evolution. But let's just remember for a second that all historical science is purely THEORY. There is no such thing as historical empirical evidence. If you can't actually observe the phenomenon, or reproduce the phenomenon -- it's always going to remain a theory.

I'll leave that until this evening

BTW -- I think a truly amazing thing is the way the google ads at the bottom of the forum are now creation/evolution ads. HOW DO THEY DO THAT?!!?

All of science is basically theory......not much fact. No arguement there. But our species has been working hard to produce these theories.......and there is SOME evidence that they MIGHT be fact. That is much different than blindly following something that has NO real evidence as support. Being a creationist is doing just that. Thinking that the human race started with Adam and Eve and an evil snake that made God realize how imperfect our species really is.....well that is just priceless. Anyway, I realize that those who believe in the fairy tales that have long been drained of their feasibility are people who may never wake up to the idea that 'God' may wish for us to think for ourselves.

[SkinsNut73]

Originally posted by docdru


Either way, if you believe in that hoopla, we're all inbreds.

Seriously though, creationism? Wow, I think I'm dumber for having clicked on this link.

It's only speculation on my part...I wasn't there at the time

...though I did get a chance to meet Noah...really nice guy except for the fact that he is an Eagles fan.

[MrWill]

Originally posted by Om
Has anyone defined "evolution" for pursposes of this discussion yet? As distinguishied from, say, natural selection?

For that matter, have we defined "creationism" yet? I trust we've simply acepted as the default setting that we're talking about the Christian model here, and not, say, Inuit or Mongol or Ancient Egyptian or Cherokee or Druid or Islam or Aztec or Yanomamo or Dinka or ... ?

The fact that there are so many creationist theories (one per religion) makes it invalid doesn't it? lol. Anyway, if God intended for us to use ANY of the INFINITE number of 'good books' that are in circulation today, I think it was intended for us to recognize the THEMES and MORALS of the stories.....not for us to bury our heads in the literal interpretations of them.

[SkinsNut73]

Originally posted by SkinsFan2456
Yikes.....28%?!? This country is in trouble. It is about time we made post-secondary education free in this country. It is sad that the 72% reqire no evidence for their beliefs. They just blindly cling to the words from a book that was force fed to them at an early age. Living inside a mind like that has to be like being in prison. BTW, this is why organized religion can weaken a population. Spirituality, in general, can really be stunted by everyone resting on their laurels and believing the exact same story, without looking for the answer themselves. If you are in this category, I pity you.

You don't think evolution is "force fed" to us?

My sophomore year in high school, first day of school, my science teacher stands at the front of the class and says: "There are 2 theories as to how we came into existence. One is Creationism, which believes God created the heavens, the earth and mankind. The other is Evolution" She then gets into a 10 minute explanation of the basics of evolution, and then says "Creationism is wrong. That's all you need to know about it. So from now on we will study Evolutionism".

I'm not interested in getting into an arguement on which one is right. (I come to these boards for relief from stress, not to create more by arguing) .All I'm saying is both sides are force-fed their "beliefs". I think "secular" schools should take a closer look at Creationism, and I think your parochial schools should also look at Evolution. I can't say I've ever been in a science class (high school or college) that examined both sides objectively.

[Om]

How exactly does one "examine" Creationism?

[Thiebear]

ALL this time and im the 4th person to click I dont know???

Let me reread this thread again cause I'm with some of the dumbest people around....

[docdru]

Originally posted by SkinsNut73


You don't think evolution is "force fed" to us?

My sophomore year in high school, first day of school, my science teacher stands at the front of the class and says: "There are 2 theories as to how we came into existence. One is Creationism, which believes God created the heavens, the earth and mankind. The other is Evolution" She then gets into a 10 minute explanation of the basics of evolution, and then says "Creationism is wrong. That's all you need to know about it. So from now on we will study Evolutionism".

I'm not interested in getting into an arguement on which one is right. (I come to these boards for relief from stress, not to create more by arguing) .All I'm saying is both sides are force-fed their "beliefs". I think "secular" schools should take a closer look at Creationism, and I think your parochial schools should also look at Evolution. I can't say I've ever been in a science class (high school or college) that examined both sides objectively.

So you think they should teach Creationism in a "science" class. Well, aside from the fact that it's not science there's the issue of which Creationist story. To assume that Christian creationism is correct is cultural hubris. Why not Hindu, or Buddhist or Native American creationist theories?

Or here's a thought, how about we just don't teach religion in public schools?

[MrWill]

Originally posted by SkinsNut73


You don't think evolution is "force fed" to us?

My sophomore year in high school, first day of school, my science teacher stands at the front of the class and says: "There are 2 theories as to how we came into existence. One is Creationism, which believes God created the heavens, the earth and mankind. The other is Evolution" She then gets into a 10 minute explanation of the basics of evolution, and then says "Creationism is wrong. That's all you need to know about it. So from now on we will study Evolutionism".

I'm not interested in getting into an arguement on which one is right. (I come to these boards for relief from stress, not to create more by arguing) .All I'm saying is both sides are force-fed their "beliefs". I think "secular" schools should take a closer look at Creationism, and I think your parochial schools should also look at Evolution. I can't say I've ever been in a science class (high school or college) that examined both sides objectively.

OK....I'll bite, tell me the objective, but feasible side of creationism. I don't know about you folks.....but, I think panspermia is a more likely scenario than creationism. For those who have not heard of this, it is the idea that life on this planet was seeded 3.5 billion years ago with genetic material from another world. Now, that is far fetched.....but if you want to wax philosophical without the backbone of evidence, there is my two cents.

[SkinsNut73]

Originally posted by Om
How exactly does one "examine" Creationism?

Same way you examine evolution...no? There are many scientists (smarter than those of us on this board) who also believe in Creationism...maybe not in Jesus creating the world, but a "higher power".

[China]

Perhaps it is both as Redman said. Perhaps Adam and Eve were just the first two humans imparted with a soul by god.

[Thiebear]

Have you been to the airport?
Have you been to the Mall?

How can you not look around and say there is no inbreeding going on?

I'm not saying the Springfield Mall is the scientific evidence of Creationism but it comes really close without carbon dating .

[pez]

Originally posted by NavyDave
Creationismm

Answer the GoD Father and God Mother.

In Evolution some fish crawled out of the sea grew legs, shed its scales grew hair developed a fondness for banannas the eons later had a portfolio and and addiction to capo latte?

My problewm with the evolution with man is if we evolved from apes why are they still apes and why arent the ones still here evolving?

That is like asking, why aren't all pigs pot-belly pigs.... Not all living things take to the evolutionary trail.. That is why there were different version of primitive man, lucky enough for us, one of those groups evolved into us.

I believe in both. I believe that god started life and implemented evolution as his means of upgrading his creations. Everyone (including god) has the right to change their mind about something they have done. Good example... the floods... Another good example... the dinosaurs. We know that god can screw up at times (look at the platypus) so why can't evolution and survival of the fittest be his means for fixing those things?

God is like a car manufacturer, he likes to put out a better model each year.