Evolutionism and Creationism?

[MrWill]

Originally posted by skinsfan51


1. To regard or treat with haughty contempt; despise.

2. To consider or reject as beneath oneself.


As for my comments to Chopper Dave, if I had made those comments without reason they might have been unfounded and harsh. HOWEVER, they were necessary because he said something to the affect of (speaking about me), "I'm a Jew, so I know about his fanatical religious ideas." Wait!!! "I'm a Jew, so I know..."??? What? <p>

He said, 'I am a Jew, so I know HOW INSANE THIS VIEWPOINT IS'. He is a Jew, according to your idea, he is going to hell for having HIS FAITH. How is it that he doesn't have a right to claim your view is insane? Or, any of the Christians who voted option B in the poll? I would bet, that SINCE you think they are going to HELL too, they would think you are a little loopy at least. Your statement, 'Don't give me that I am a Jew, so I know my stuff' (or something to that effect), CLEARLY shows disdain for him.

As for definition number 2.....

How can you not consider the 20 other people in the poll who voted AGAINST your idea, as beneath you? You went on about how if you are right, 'I am going to a lake of fire for ever.....the grave will not end it for me......etc., etc.' Pray tell how that does not embody the two definitions you gave of this word?

[skinsfan51]

Originally posted by SkinsFan2456


And....if you can't see that this is a FEARFUL way to look at your existence, then go back to reading your book.....KNOWING there is no way to prove your narrow-minded view.

Well said (?) from a guy who just admitted that his belief in god is based on something:

*not hard and fast
*inside himself [only]

What's that about proof?


Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith's door
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime:
Then looking in, I saw upon the floor
Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.

"How many anvils have you had," said I,
"To wear and batter all these hammers so?"
"Just one," said he, and then, with twinkling eye,
"The anvil wears the hammers out, you know."

And so, thought I, the anvil of God's word,
For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
Yet though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The anvil is unharmed . . . the hammer's gone.
Author unknown

Hammer away.

[MrWill]

Originally posted by skinsfan51


According to what, or who's, belief? Yours? Are we all supposed to subscribe to your belief? On what authority? Jesus said he was the only way to God.

That obviously exempts all other religions and beliefs. So either He was a lunitic or a liar, or He's Lord. Which is it according to you?



And I'll fight to my death to allow you to believe that way. But it doesn't make it right. Somehow we all fall into the trap of thinking that just because we believe something it must be right. That is the epitome of pride and arrogance, for "how could WE ever be wrong?" The bottom line is that we are ALL human and ALL sinners. None of us could find Heaven if we tried outside of having a heavenly GUIDE, and that guide is the BIBLE. If you are relying on your own heart or mind, you are doomed.

<b>"He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool."</b> -King Solomon (Proverbs 28:26)

Ah, you see...no. We are all supposed to find God in our own specific way.....not as easy as reading a book. I am not here to prove my God to you.....he is only for me with respect to this discussion. I am here to prove, beyond the shadow of doubt, that you are a narrow-minded fanatic. This can be done.....the more you talk...the more you alienate.....the more you bury yourself. And, before you respond.....I AM alienating some of the 'narrow-minded' ideas that you have drawn from your book.

[MrWill]

Originally posted by skinsfan51


But you said you belived in GOD (singular). So you really didn't mean that? Hinduism has millions of gods, so you must believe in all of them, too, right? Maybe it would be good to just ask that you define "god." Thanks.

(BTW, it is impossible to believe all the religions, for they all say something different and each one's creeds basically exempt the others. Besides, you don't believe that anyway, but you don't believe Christianity, which is based on ONE Book.)

No, I believe there is a creator. Not some man in the clouds who is making all of our decisions for us like a puppet master. I feel he gives us some creative flexibility. I have no desire to have followers.....or to force my ideas on others with talks of fire and brimstone. You are a crusader, nothing more. You have an agenda.....to make your group as large as possible, because there is safety in numbers with respect to your faith. There is no safety in numbers......he will judge ALL of us SEPERATELY.

[skinsfan51]

Originally posted by SkinsFan2456


He said, 'I am a Jew, so I know HOW INSANE THIS VIEWPOINT IS'. He is a Jew, according to your idea, he is going to hell for having HIS FAITH. How is it that he doesn't have a right to claim your view is insane? Or, any of the Christians who voted option B in the poll? I would bet, that SINCE you think they are going to HELL too, they would think you are a little loopy at least. Your statement, 'Don't give me that I am a Jew, so I know my stuff' (or something to that effect), CLEARLY shows disdain for him.

Because he doesn't know how "insane" my viewpoint it based on his Jewish background. He has admitted that he doesn't know the Bible well, and half of it contains HIS writings. He has also criticized the words of Moses (another post) very harshly, and Moses is one of the greatest Jewish heroes that ever lived. So what does "I am a Jew..." have ANYTHING to do with him knowing what I believe? Answer: nothing.

As for definition number 2.....

How can you not consider the 20 other people in the poll who voted AGAINST your idea, as beneath you? You went on about how if you are right, 'I am going to a lake of fire for ever.....the grave will not end it for me......etc., etc.' Pray tell how that does not embody the two definitions you gave of this word? [/QUOTE]

I consider them wrong, not beneath me. There is never a reason to belittle another person. Most of the people out here aren't stupid dumb idiots. They may have different values, some of which are illogical and immoral, but I doubt they are all stupid in the real sense of the word. I don't look down on anyone, no matter how much I disagree with them.

As much cannot be said for your side and some of the others. It is very clear that you talk down at others and I've been called an "idiot" and "fanatic," "weak minded," etc. What's your IQ? I scored a 127 the last time I took it. Am I weak minded? All of us needs to watch what we say. Hiding behind a computer monitor makes us bolder than we would be in person.

[MrWill]

Originally posted by skinsfan51


And I'll fight to my death to allow you to believe that way.

This is exactly what proves your view is narrow-minded. You should be content in believing what you believe.....and shouldn't have to 'fight to the death' to get everyone in your camp. This is fear that drives you....not God.

[skinsfan51]

Originally posted by SkinsFan2456


I am here to prove, beyond the shadow of doubt, that you are a narrow-minded fanatic.

You have, to this point, <u>totally</u> failed to do this. Oh, you've made a lot of accusations. But as we saw with the five "challenges," there is no ability to back them up. So be it. We can ALL read, and the writing is pretty clear.

I've got a TON of work to do. I need to end this right here. Believe what you want. But you are right about one thing, you will give an account. It just might not go as you think, and it will be too late then to do anything about it.

[MrWill]

Originally posted by skinsfan51


Well said (?) from a guy who just admitted that his belief in god is based on something:

*not hard and fast
*inside himself [only]

What's that about proof?


Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith's door
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime:
Then looking in, I saw upon the floor
Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.

"How many anvils have you had," said I,
"To wear and batter all these hammers so?"
"Just one," said he, and then, with twinkling eye,
"The anvil wears the hammers out, you know."

And so, thought I, the anvil of God's word,
For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
Yet though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The anvil is unharmed . . . the hammer's gone.
Author unknown

Hammer away.

I don't need to prove my view of God exists to others. There are 40 some odd pages that indicate you need to prove your view exists. Can I rest my case on that? Or, are you going to come with more 'rhetoric'? lol.

[skinsfan51]

Originally posted by SkinsFan2456


This is exactly what proves your view is narrow-minded. You should be content in believing what you believe.....and shouldn't have to 'fight to the death' to get everyone in your camp. This is fear that drives you....not God.

Go back and actually READ what I said. I said that I would fight to the death to allow YOU, Y-O-U, <B>YOU</B> to believe that way. Meaning, that I believe in freedom of speech and would defend it with my life. See how easy you twist a person's words? You need to really examine this terrible habit and put it away. THINK before you respond, please.

Ok, I'm really done. This is too time consuming.

[MrWill]

Originally posted by skinsfan51


Because he doesn't know how "insane" my viewpoint it based on his Jewish background. He has admitted that he doesn't know the Bible well, and half of it contains HIS writings. He has also criticized the words of Moses (another post) very harshly, and Moses is one of the greatest Jewish heroes that ever lived. So what does "I am a Jew..." have ANYTHING to do with him knowing what I believe? Answer: nothing.

As for definition number 2.....

How can you not consider the 20 other people in the poll who voted AGAINST your idea, as beneath you? You went on about how if you are right, 'I am going to a lake of fire for ever.....the grave will not end it for me......etc., etc.' Pray tell how that does not embody the two definitions you gave of this word?

I consider them wrong, not beneath me. There is never a reason to belittle another person. Most of the people out here aren't stupid dumb idiots. They may have different values, some of which are illogical and immoral, but I doubt they are all stupid in the real sense of the word. I don't look down on anyone, no matter how much I disagree with them.

As much cannot be said for your side and some of the others. It is very clear that you talk down at others and I've been called an "idiot" and "fanatic," "weak minded," etc. What's your IQ? I scored a 127 the last time I took it. Am I weak minded? All of us needs to watch what we say. Hiding behind a computer monitor makes us bolder than we would be in person. [/B][/QUOTE]

If you consider what someone is doing is wrong.....then it IS beneath you. Regardless of Chopper's faith do you not see why he can see your view as insane? Your view indicates that he is going to HELL for what he believes. EVERY OTHER person who has been in this discussion is GOING TO HELL for what they believe (seeing that no one voted in the poll the way you have). This is CLOSED MINDED, is it not?

[MrWill]

Originally posted by skinsfan51


You have, to this point, <u>totally</u> failed to do this. Oh, you've made a lot of accusations. But as we saw with the five "challenges," there is no ability to back them up. So be it. We can ALL read, and the writing is pretty clear.

I've got a TON of work to do. I need to end this right here. Believe what you want. But you are right about one thing, you will give an account. It just might not go as you think, and it will be too late then to do anything about it.

You offer me quotes from your book. I have nothing to back up. This has been a discussion that has been from my head.....and from within my heart. Yours has come from quoting your book.....and bringing people into this discussion that likely would have voted on option B as christians. You studied this book for 18 years. Not once did you pick your head up out of the pages and decide that God has MUCH more to show us in our lifetimes. Not to mention......you refuse to just wrap this up and say my faith is all that matters....and then leave me, 'the devil', to languish in the word of God that you have covered repeatedly since the conversation began. You NEED the last word....I know this......and, I will eventually give it to you. It is just tough when you talk yourself in circles and let your argument go nowhere. I am not here to prove anything to you besides that your view is narrow minded.

[MrWill]

Originally posted by skinsfan51


You have, to this point, <u>totally</u> failed to do this.

Says YOU. LOL.

[MrWill]

Skinsfan51,

This is my last post. Do with it what you will. Come on back and try to state what I provided no proof for. 'Proof' does not exist in what you and I are talking about, with respect to who our 'God' is. It is ALL FAITH. Go back and read how many times I have told you that. You are here to debunk EVERY idea and school of belief that exists in society today, but your own (See the poll). I am here to show you that it is a 'closed/narrow-minded' view, that has caused as much grief to society as ANY other spiritual (or Evil, for that matter) idea that has ever been conceived since the beginning of human existence. No one can prove what you say is true (most notably, all 20 of the voters in the poll are going to hell, and you are the only shee-....er, person on this board who has a shot at eternal life....unless we all believe the Bible word for word, and forsake all information, past or present that conflicts the Bible in ANY way outside of OUR NARROW-MINDED VIEW of what THESE GUYS MEANT TO SAY in THIS BOOK). Well.....I think that about covers it from my end. Good luck, and God Bless.