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    Quote Originally Posted by ClemsSC7Skinfan View Post
    I'd definetly agree that Martinez would beat Kirkland at this point and probably at any point this year if they were to fight even towards December. I did get to see Kirkland fight one time back with his woman trainer, whom was very good by the way but has since left him since he got in trouble, but I can't remember but the following about him.

    Kirkland is ferocious, very cut, shorter arms, killer instinct and very good power. The fight I witnessed he simply destroyed the opponent and reminded me a lot of the young tyson in terms of just how pissed he seemed to show through his posture and nearly in each punch. I did catch the snipit from last weekend about how he won in 40 some seconds of the first round, this also looked like his opponent was simply scared along with Kirkland wanting to destroy someone since prison.
    I didn't realize Ann Wolfe wasn't training Kirkland anymore, they seemed like a good match personality wise. Ann's been through hell herself, and she seemed to know how bring out that aggression in James. She had him doing some pretty unorthodox training as well, I specifically remember him hitting a heavy bag attached to the back of a pick up while she was driving

    She was a pretty good tactician as well from what I remember, even if James didn't always follow her instruction.

    On a side note, like you said, he will not beat Martinez without learning to adapt his style some because he does come straight ahead almost like a bull with nothing on his mind but to get you. I think Martinez would adapt and use his speed to punch and move out of the way probably with less combinations until he figured out Kirklands power. Would be an easy game plan though to win if he stuck to something like Mayweather vs De La Hoya (with a little less actual running away from him).

    However, with Martinez the one weekness I did see last night was he is willing to exchange punches a little too often. So his chin is just left wide open and if he runs up against someone that can make him pay power wise with a little faster draw than Kelly Pavlik (Whom isn't that fast) it could mean the end of his reign in a very similar way that Roy Jones Jr. experienced.
    Martinez has the look of a fighter that knows he's at the top of his game and feels confident enough in his movement and reflexes. Dropping his hands the way he did against a good boxer in Dzinziruk told me his confidence is at new levels. That same confidence will come back to hurt him eventually. At some point father time will catch him, like he catches everybody else. I still think he can be overwhelmed though. In all his close fights, and losses, he was pressured by an onslaught of punches from his opposition. I think he's the kind of fighter that you can break as long as you don't get frustrated by his movement. Even Pavlik got to him for some rounds in their fight.

    Another fighter that could get to him (pending on how he is handled) Saul Alvarez aka Canelo. He is very young only being 20 but he looked real good last weekend. Again I don't think he can beat Martinez right now or at any point this year but depending on whom he can fight during the year and the progress he could make then we'll see next year.

    Good to see someone else in SC likes boxing though.
    I'm not quite sold on Canelo, but then again, he's nowhere near his prime yet. I think right now, he gets hit too much for the opposition he's facing. I think he'll always be a crowd favorite because when he loses, it will be because he goes down on his shield. But to your point, by the time Canelo is ready for Martinez, Martinez skills should be faded enough that Canelo will have a great shot at beating him.
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    Just caught the Lee/McEwan replay on HBO. That was arguably--off the top of my head--the best ending and comeback I've seen since the Corrales/Castillo 10th Round. Obviously it doesn't even tickle the energy and relevance of Corrales/Castillo but I like that it stretched over two rounds and wasn't just a flash knockout.

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    Mayweather Wants $100 Million To Fight Pacquiao

    http://www.inquirer.net/sports/artic...-Pacquiao.html

    I'll like to see Mayweather fans try to justify this.

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    HBO PPV: Erik Morales vs Marcos Maidana

    I forgot about this PPV. Wasn't interested in seeing Morales get beat up, but he put on a good fight according to several boxing sites. Was surprised about the James Kirkland vs Nobuhiro Ishida fight result. Figured Kirkland would KO him quick, but the opposite happened, Kirkland was stopped in round 1. Kirkland needs to work on his defense. In boxing, one good punch can change a fight.

    http://www.boxinghighlights.info/ish...irkland-video/

    Nobuhiro Ishida: “As you know, Japan had a very big earthquake. It makes me happy and proud to come to the United States and win for my country. He [Kirkland] didn’t expect this from me. He didn’t respect what we had. Kirkland kept coming forward at me and so I kept going with my right, my right, my right and it worked. I had my country on my side and now I’m ready for a world title shot.”

    James Kirkland: “I don’t know why they stopped the fight. There is not a three knockdown rule in Vegas. I’m really upset right now. That was a messed up call. I was telling him I wanted to keep fighting. He [Ishida] wasn’t anything. He had no power. This was messed up.”


    Way to talk trash after being KO'ed.
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    my man Kirkland is done . I had a nasty feeling all day about that fight for some reason. his style has always been defensively reckless and he paid for it in spades last night

    yeah i didn't order it either because i thought Morales was going to get slaughtered. it looked that way after 1 round, but Morales showed why he's one boxing's greatest warriors. dude fought 11 rounds with one eye completely swollen shut, not to mention fighting at a weight well above where he fought the most of his career.

    I hope he got paid nicely, now I hope he hangs them up, which he won't
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    Berto & Ortiz are putting on a fight of the year candidate

    some unreal **** is happening in this fight
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    Helluva fight going on between Victor Ortiz and Andre Berto on HBO.
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    Terrible call by the ref...trying to save Berto's undefeated record! =p

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    yeah that ref has mad himself apart of this fight way too much in the past few rounds
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    Very good fight.

    The problem with that weight division are the two guys above Berto right now, Ortiz wouldn't have much of a chance against....seeing as it's the two best pound-for-pound fighters in the world.

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    glad to see the judges got the decision right
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    Great fight. Ortiz deserves that win. Ref was suspect in his decisions. Judges did good. Now let's see if the rematch will be as good as the 1st fight. Juanma Lopez about to fight on Showtime. Let's see what him and Salido can do.
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    That was a great fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksun247 View Post
    Great fight. Ortiz deserves that win. Ref was suspect in his decisions. Judges did good. Now let's see if the rematch will be as good as the 1st fight. Juanma Lopez about to fight on Showtime. Let's see what him and Salido can do.
    i'm getting tired of Bob Arum waiting to match Lopez & Gamboa

    one of them is going to lose before they fight
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    Juanma just got his bell rung. Let's see if he can survive this fight. That was a nice shot.
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