All Things Boxing

[WALEOVECHKIN]

Boxing is a one on one sport, Mayweather can only fight one person at a time. Hahahah Vernon Forrest, Joshua Clottley? Vernon Forrest was in his prime in the early 2000s when Mayweather was at lightweight. When they were both at Welter Mayweather fought Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya and Hatton while Forrest fought Quartey, Baldomir, Piccilrrilo and Mora twice before passing away. Can you imagine if Mayweather turned down a De La Hoya or Hatton fight to fight a 36 year old Vernon Forrest? We would never hear the end of it hahaha

If you think Mayweather ducked Clottey then idk what to tell you, Clottey fails to do the one thing Mayweather wants, draw money. He is also stylistically a bad fight for Mayweather. The Clottey-Pacquaio "fight" is probably one of the worst fights in Pay Per View history that went to a decision. A Mayweather-Clottey fight would've been an absolute snoozefest.

Personally I think Margarito is absolute trash and shouldn't be allowed to step foot in the ring ever again. If Mayweather did in fact duck him, good **** him.

Mayweather-Cotto has always been a dream match of mine and I still hold out hope that it could it happen...one day.

Hopefully Arum gets his **** together and he can make this fight. The whole May 5, late May, indoors, outdoors, purse take, its all noise. At the end of the day the public deserves this fight and its time to get it done.

[tone_dubbz]

Key word after!! Don't talk about Osar, PAC fought him at 147 a weight Oscar was completely drained at he had too get a IV 30 minutes before the fight. Hatton I give credit too even though Mayweather beat him when he was undefeated and not exposed.

Catch weight or not, ODLH would have gotten whooped regardless. Pac was nailing him with the straight left without setting it up with the jab. That was just pure speed. Had DLH been fully hydrated and not need and IV, I think the results would have been the same. Pac was just too quick for him. Blame that on DLH for taking the fight at catch weight.

I think everyone knew Hatton lacked head movement and was at a disadvantage when it came to speed......even before Mayweather beat him.

[DM72]

Boxing is a one on one sport, Mayweather can only fight one person at a time. Hahahah Vernon Forrest, Joshua Clottley? Vernon Forrest was in his prime in the early 2000s when Mayweather was at lightweight. When they were both at Welter Mayweather fought Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya and Hatton while Forrest fought Quartey, Baldomir, Piccilrrilo and Mora twice before passing away. Can you imagine if Mayweather turned down a De La Hoya or Hatton fight to fight a 36 year old Vernon Forrest? We would never hear the end of it hahaha

If you think Mayweather ducked Clottey then idk what to tell you, Clottey fails to do the one thing Mayweather wants, draw money. He is also stylistically a bad fight for Mayweather. The Clottey-Pacquaio "fight" is probably one of the worst fights in Pay Per View history that went to a decision. A Mayweather-Clottey fight would've been an absolute snoozefest.

Personally I think Margarito is absolute trash and shouldn't be allowed to step foot in the ring ever again. If Mayweather did in fact duck him, good **** him.

Mayweather-Cotto has always been a dream match of mine and I still hold out hope that it could it happen...one day.

No one would doubt that Floyd is a better boxer than Clotty. But Clotty is a solid 147-154. The kind of fighter Floyd has made a living avoiding. And Clotty's not exactly a bum. As for Margarito. Floyd was dodging him way before the scandle of his wraps.

[SiCkSoULjA]

Catch weight or not, ODLH would have gotten whooped regardless. Pac was nailing him with the straight left without setting it up with the jab. That was just pure speed. Had DLH been fully hydrated and not need and IV, I think the results would have been the same. Pac was just too quick for him. Blame that on DLH for taking the fight at catch weight.

I think everyone knew Hatton lacked head movement and was at a disadvantage when it came to speed......even before Mayweather beat him.

PAC may would have beat him but Oscar was a zombie he was super slow and he couldn't even move PAC. On fight night Oscar was 146 and PAC was I think 148, it was said that Oscar was pushing 170 when he fought Mayweather big difference.

[I_Bleed_B&G]

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2012/...ain-whole.html

..."Arum pointed out that “in order to maximize revenues from the fight you have to have a stadium larger than the MGM Grand which holds 16,500. The people in Las Vegas, the Wynn and the Venetian who have tremendous resources, want to put a stadium up across the street from their properties. They can put up a temporary stadium for 45,000 people. The guy who built the temporary stadium when Larry Holmes and Gerry Cooney fought years ago is available now to build a temporary stadium. But that wouldn’t be ready with any degree of certainty in the beginning of May but it would be available at the end of May.”

Arum said “the economic difference is tremendous. If we did it on May 5 we will be limited to the MGM Grand we would probably do a record gate of $20 million. If we did it in this new temporary arena we would do a gate of around $60 million so the difference even if you take off the cost of building the structure ($7 million) which would be amortized over two years, is a minimum of $40 million. Its an extra $20 million for each fighter which is a lot of money. But that’s a choice the fighters have to make.” ...

So that's part of Arum's reasoning on wanting to push it to the end of May. (Yes, only part)

If Extreme Makeover Home Edition can build a 5,000 sqft house in 7 days, these bastages can build a temporary facility for this fight lol

[jnhay]

I don't think sparring is great for cuts. This said, Floyd has lost any upper hand he had by saying there would be a huge fight in May before he goes to jail. Why wouldn't Arum take advantage of the situation?

[ClemsSC7Skinfan]

If Extreme Makeover Home Edition can build a 5,000 sqft house in 7 days, these bastages can build a temporary facility for this fight lol

First off don't always believe what you see on TV, typically a house (ANY HOUSE) is built QUICKLY in 3 months, longer pending on size, etc but if it's cookie cutter as those can be then 3 months is good speed.

If you have any sort of idea what rules/regulations/etc. that must be followed for any sort of public construction you would know that it is a far drastic difference in residential dwelling than a public "arena"

I'm not saying money doesn't fix problems or ensure someone can or can't do it, but, obviously if you pay more you have the ability to allow for more hiring, possibly quicker shipment of material, etc. Ultimately I think to build a "temporary facility" that seats 45,000 could be constructed in 4 to 5 months yeah that's probably doable and more likely doable by the end of May as Arum said since we're losing time as each day passes.

The accurate subject is do they want to make the fight not whether or not you can build a venue in the time especially if you don't know anything about a construction process.

[DM72]

From all reports, we should know something in the next 48 hours. Don't get your hopes up. I believe Manny wants to fight Floyd, but he won't be allowed to fight him. Even though Floyd is partially to blame, Manny's rep is gonna take a massive hit if he chose to fight someone else.

With that being said, if Manny agrees to fight, not on May 5, but in late May, it's up to Floyd to bend a little.

[SiCkSoULjA]

I think Manny knows its a great chance he will lose this fight but he just loves too fight and willing too do it for the fans. I think Bob Arum is not ready for his cash cow too fight Mayweather and on top of that hates the man more than anything and don't want too we Mayweather make a dime off of him.

[StillUnknown]

From all reports, we should know something in the next 48 hours. Don't get your hopes up. I believe Manny wants to fight Floyd, but he won't be allowed to fight him. Even though Floyd is partially to blame, Manny's rep is gonna take a massive hit if he chose to fight someone else.

With that being said, if Manny agrees to fight, not on May 5, but in late May, it's up to Floyd to bend a little.

When you're as big as Pac, the promoter works for you. There's no such thing as him "not being allowed".

[DM72]

When you're as big as Pac, the promoter works for you. There's no such thing as him "not being allowed".

I know that, but how many times have we've heard boxers (Manny included) say, "it's up to my promoter?"

---------- Post added January-11th-2012 at 09:47 PM ----------

When you're as big as Pac, the promoter works for you. There's no such thing as him "not being allowed".

I know that, but how many times have we've heard boxers (Manny included) say, "it's up to my promoter?"

---------- Post added January-11th-2012 at 09:50 PM ----------

I think Manny knows its a great chance he will lose this fight but he just loves too fight and willing too do it for the fans. I think Bob Arum is not ready for his cash cow too fight Mayweather and on top of that hates the man more than anything and don't want too we Mayweather make a dime off of him.

I think Manny goes into the fight confident. I agree with you about Arum though.

[Unforgiven]

I think Manny knows its a great chance he will lose this fight but he just loves too fight and willing too do it for the fans. I think Bob Arum is not ready for his cash cow too fight Mayweather and on top of that hates the man more than anything and don't want too we Mayweather make a dime off of him.

I wouldn't say a great chance...

I'm figuring Mayweather will be the betting favorite for sure though. Honestly Mayweather has more to lose in this than Manny, because his entire reputation is built on being undefeated. If Manny loses it'll just be him getting outpointed by Mayweather in a fight he wasn't even favored in anyways.

[DM72]

I think Manny knows its a great chance he will lose this fight but he just loves too fight and willing too do it for the fans. I think Bob Arum is not ready for his cash cow too fight Mayweather and on top of that hates the man more than anything and don't want too we Mayweather make a dime off of him.

I think Manny goes into the fight confident. I agree with you about Arum though.

[tone_dubbz]

PAC may would have beat him but Oscar was a zombie he was super slow and he couldn't even move PAC. On fight night Oscar was 146 and PAC was I think 148, it was said that Oscar was pushing 170 when he fought Mayweather big difference.

Pac was 142 at the weigh in, while ODLH was 145. Pac had to gain weight for the fight, so to think he hydrated over night and weighed more than Oscar before the fight is doubtful.

I think Manny knows its a great chance he will lose this fight but he just loves too fight and willing too do it for the fans. I think Bob Arum is not ready for his cash cow too fight Mayweather and on top of that hates the man more than anything and don't want too we Mayweather make a dime off of him.

Manny knows there is a great chance he will lose?????

That doesn't even sound right.

If that's the case, that just makes him look better. Knowing that he doesn't throw caution to the wind to preserve his legendary status shows that he's willing to fight anyone. Unlike your boy.

And being one of Pac's biggest fans, I admit that Mayweather style will be hard to handle. He will probably counter Pac to a decision. BUT......I don't think Mayweather has taken a punch from someone like Pac, and he lands one of those left hooks Floyd will hit the mat.

[WALEOVECHKIN]

MANILA, Philippines -- Manny Pacquiao's camp says there is no economic sense in setting up a bout with Floyd Mayweather on May 5 after the unbeaten American publicly challenged the Filipino champion via Twitter.

Pacquiao's financial adviser Michael Koncz told The Associated Press on Thursday that a 45,000-seat boxing arena being built in Las Vegas won't be finished before the end of May and staging the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight in a smaller venue is "foolish from an economic standpoint."

Mayweather challenged and taunted Pacquiao to a May 5 bout in a tweet on Tuesday.

"Manny Pacquiao I'm calling you out let's fight May 5th and give the world what they want to see," he tweeted.

Mayweather is available for a fight in May at the MGM Grand Garden after a judge agreed last week to postpone his jail sentence for domestic violence until June. Mayweather was sentenced to 87 days in jail, but likely will serve less time.

The MGM Grand seats about 17,000, which could fetch around $20 million in sales, but the larger arena could raise an additional $30 million, Koncz said.

"Why would I tell Manny to fight on the 5th and throw away a percentage of 30 million? That's crazy," he said.

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum has told the Philippines' GMA television the only reason the fight won't happen is if there is an "economic problem."

He said the fight "could happen very, very easily" at the end of May -- enough time to build the outdoor arena "the fight so badly needs."

"I will also guarantee Manny's purse," he said. "In other words, Manny doesn't want to go into the ring and just fight out a percentage."

He said Mayweather is looking for "outside parties to guarantee his end of the purse."

"So, until he finds the angel, there is no fight," Arum said.

In a separate interview with GMA, Pacquiao said that if Mayweather agrees to a "50-50 sharing, there will be no problem."

"The purse is not the issue right now, the date is," Koncz said. "But we don't have a problem splitting it 50-50."