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[Kosher Ham]

Pac's people should be ashamed.

Pac should be ashamed of his people as well. That's just stupid.

[Bubble Screen]

I think the majority of Pac fans loved him because he was exciting to watch. No one every said he was unbeatable, his record could have told you that.

Its funny how Mayweather fans are all of sudden boxing experts. They can make all the predictions they want, the only way to find out who would win is for them to fight. That will happen when Floyd grows some ball.

Exactly. Mayweather is a scared little chump. Pacquiao would destroy dude.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

I only see it happening if Bob Arum departs from the earth in the next couple of years.

it could happen real soon, tbf. Arum is about to cash-out on Manny.

Especially if Rios beats Manny in April.

---------- Post added December-12th-2012 at 02:28 AM ----------

But they're not the same kind of counter puncher. What's so hard to understand about that? Marquez is way more offensive than Mayweather. Also, if slow Cotto can put his hands on him, why couldn't the much faster Pacquiao?

this makes it even more hard for Manny

Floyd isnt that offensive of a fighter, well since he moved up, because his defense is impregnable. Marquez's defense isnt even close to that, so he has to attack more. Floyd can control fights by pot shoting from the pocket.

And Cotto and Manny are not similar fighters at all. Cotto has a good jab, Manny doesnt. Cotto is also a bigger fighter than Floyd. Despite all that, Cotto only landed like 20 percent of his punches that fight.

[tone_dubbz]

Exactly. Mayweather is a scared little chump. Pacquiao would destroy dude.

I would think now would be the perfect time for Floyd to challenge Manny. I wouldn't call any boxer who steps in the ring scared, but if he comes up with another excuse not take this fight then in at least my eyes he will come off as scared.

According to these so called experts in here, he's a better counter puncher then Marquez so he should have no problem beating Manny right?

[DM72]

I would think now would be the perfect time for Floyd to challenge Manny. I wouldn't call any boxer who steps in the ring scared, but if he comes up with another excuse not take this fight then in at least my eyes he will come off as scared.

According to these so called experts in here, he's a better counter puncher then Marquez so he should have no problem beating Manny right?

Well, when you refuse to fight the best, IMO, that makes you a coward. Anybody can fight someone they know they can beat up.

I agree with your second point. These guys would rather believe Mayweather would easily beat Manny than for him to go out there and prove it. The bottom line about Mayweather fans, they don't want him to get into the ring with anybody that actually have a shot at beating his ass. That's why they're soooooooo happy Pacquiao got beat. Floyd gameplan worked. He waited until Manny got old or in this case, got beat, now he doesn't have to ever fight him and his fans couldn't be more happy. We Pacquiao fans really wanted this fight, Mayweather fans wanted no part of it.

EDIT: And this is why I have way more respect for Manny as a fighter than I do for Mayweather. Manny isn't afraid to lose where Mayweather is. Manny didn't have to give his greatest challenger Marquez a rematch and IMO, he should not have. He was declared the victor in 2/3 of very close fights that could have went either way. But Manny's way too nice so he gave Marquez yet another chance and it backfired. Do you think Floyd would have given Marquez another rematch? Hell no.

[StillUnknown]

Do you think Floyd would have given Marquez another rematch? Hell no.

He gave Jose Luis Castillo an immediate rematch after they fought, that was by far the closest fight of Floyd's career. I scored the first fight a draw if I recall.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

He gave Jose Luis Castillo an immediate rematch after they fought, that was by far the closest fight of Floyd's career. I scored the first fight a draw if I recall.

exactly.

You have to realize that dude just hates Floyd. There is nothing else to him except that.

[DM72]

He gave Jose Luis Castillo an immediate rematch after they fought, that was by far the closest fight of Floyd's career. I scored the first fight a draw if I recall.

That was the young and hungry "Pretty Boy" Floyd. You think the "Money May" Floyd of 2012 would?

[StillUnknown]

That was the young and hungry Floyd. You think the Floyd of 2012 would?

Rematches are usually worth more money than the first fight. 2012 Floyd cares about money, so yes I think he would.

[DM72]

exactly.

You have to realize that dude just hates Floyd. There is nothing else to him except that.

I don't hate Floyd, but he has given everybody a good reason to dislike him.

---------- Post added December-12th-2012 at 11:32 AM ----------

Rematches are usually worth more money than the first fight. 2012 Floyd cares about money, so yes I think he would.

OK, but I disagree. I honestly don't believe Floyd wants to risk losing his 0.

---------- Post added December-12th-2012 at 11:37 AM ----------

Speaking of Floyd, I hear that Roger's in very bad shape and that his dad might become his trainer.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing...5170--box.html

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/TGx...Z-GRAB-640.jpg

Pac's people should be ashamed.

this headline is tinged with some very subtle racism too.

If this were a black boxer, the word "aides" would be replaced with posse or crew or entourage, all of which have negative connotations when it comes to black athletes.

---------- Post added December-12th-2012 at 11:44 AM ----------

I don't hate Floyd, but he has given everybody a good reason to dislike him.

dude, you hate him. You ignore every reasonable argument and fact just to push along your agenda. You have done that throughout. No one is fooled.

OK, but I disagree. I honestly don't believe Floyd wants to risk losing his 0.

he risks losing his "0" each time he steps into the ring. That makes no sense.

Speaking of Floyd, I hear that Roger's in very bad shape and that his dad might become his trainer.

Floyd said that, but im a little skeptical. Roger was talking about fighting Bradley this weekend, and he went to the Pac/Marquez fight on Saturday.

[DM72]

dude, you hate him. You ignore every reasonable argument and fact just to push along your agenda. You have done that throughout. No one is fooled.

Show some proof on that. I just call Floyd on his BS unlike some people. Oh, you mean the reasonable argument that Floyd is trying to clean up boxing? Or the reasonable argument that Floyd played a very big part in Pacquiao/Mayweather not taking place. I admit, Top Rank played a part in it, I have yet to see YOU claim Floyd has any fault.

I believe it's YOU who ignore facts to push your pro Mayweather agenda.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

Show some proof on that. I just call Floyd on his BS unlike some people. Oh, you mean the reasonable argument that Floyd is trying to clean up boxing? Or the reasonable argument that Floyd played a very big part in Pacquiao/Mayweather not taking place. I admit, Top Rank played a part in it, I have yet to see YOU claim Floyd has any fault.

I believe it's YOU who ignore facts to push your pro Mayweather agenda.

I'm not absolving Floyd at all but this fight isn't happening because of Arum/Floyd relationship. Not because of Pacquaio because Floyd has damn near every advantage against dude. If a fight were to ever happen, Floyd would be the Vegas favorite.

[DM72]

You're pulling a Stephen A by speaking with a fork tongue. You say you're not absolving Floyd of all blame but it seems like you're still putting the lion share of it on Top Rank/Arum. But I don't quite understand what Floyd having an advantage and would be favored have to with anything.

Manny said on National TV that he would accept a 55/45 split. Mayweather refused by saying to Manny, "You have things going for you when you're done boxing, what do I have?"

I don't know about you, but 55% of a potential $150-$200m gate is a lot of $$$.

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

You're pulling a Stephen A by speaking with a fork tongue. You say you're not absolving Floyd of all blame but it seems like you're still putting the lion share of it on Top Rank/Arum. But I don't quite understand what Floyd having an advantage and would be favored have to with anything.

Manny said on National TV that he would accept a 55/45 split. Mayweather refused by saying to Manny, "You have things going for you when you're done boxing, what do I have?"

I don't know about you, but 55% of a potential $150-$200m gate is a lot of $$$.

thats because I am. There is no double speak here, I believe Arum is the primary culprit here. If Manny was on his own or repped by Lou Dibella, or anyone else (cept Frank Warren), this fight would have already happened.


Also, Manny said he would accept a 55/45 split... then said no 50/50.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/manny-p...0534--box.html

First, Mayweather's call for random blood testing led to Pacquiao walking away, with the 8-division champ only allegedly agreeing to terms after the issue had died and talks had long been ended. Then, Mayweather personally called Pacquiao to offer him a flat $40 million for a bout. But, despite having said weeks prior to the offer that he would settle for the lesser share of the purse in order to fight Mayweather, Pacquiao suddenly insisted on a 50-50 money split. Then, once again, after talks had died, Team Pacquiao revisited the idea of taking the lesser share of the money.

And that article is critical of both fighters, which I am as well.


Koncz also said only 50-50 after floyd called Manny to speak to him (of course Floyd doesnt want to fight, despite calling him )

"I said that the 50-50 was approved and there’s no problem," said Pacquiao. "Anytime. It’s in your hands. We’ll just wait if it’s OK with you."

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/1...e-conversation


Manny only said he wanted a 55/45 split because he was trying to sell this Marquez fight. Dont think any other way but that. He has been doing that for years.