All Things Boxing

[ClemsSC7Skinfan]

Ortiz has a chance, albiet small due to Floyd's speed and pure running ability. I agree that it isn't fighting Baldomir but the worst thing about Ortiz right now is that his biggest accomplishment was achieved through upsetting Berto.Without any fights in between that win and this one I just don't think he will have quite the same drive that pushed him to become a champion. He will need that edge, that will, that want to just stand a chance in this fight. I believe Victor stands a chance but I'm pretty confident in Floyd's scouting team to pick apart the problems that Floyd can exploit in his opponent (that is why he doesn't fight Manny, speed is something Floyd doesn't deal well with and it showed ever so briefly against Mosley). Floyd will win the fight fairly easily by a quick punch and get on the bike till Ortiz tracks him down then repeat all night long. It will look a lot like Mayweather vs De La Hoya even though Oscar was already a shot fighter.

To put it simply, Ortiz will not have the speed or know how to catch Mayweather in another boring 12 round fight that Floyd will claim he essentially beat the man who beat Berto. I say this because Berto is someone who would pose more difficult a challenge than Ortiz simply due to the fact that Berto has speed that can be a problem for Floyd along with pretty good power which would be a deadly combination to hurt the zero on the record that he fears so heavily of losing. We will basically be waiting on the Mega Fight as usual months delayed from nowl.

I will say this though, at least it is finally a young fighter that has a wild chance in hell at the upset purely for the unknown boxing characteristic that can never be measured, the heart of the underdog. This is more than we can say at this point for the redundant fight with JMM for Manny.

[StillUnknown]

I think you're severly overestimating Berto's chances against Floyd. You're correct in that he has the physical tools to challenge most, but he hasn't a clue in how to use them properly. If he did, his fight with Ortiz wouldn't have been close (or his fight with Collazo for that matter).

HBO tried to groom him into a superstar, but he just doesn't have the skill necessary to get to that level

[ClemsSC7Skinfan]

Oh I agree that I'm overestimating Berto's chances against Floyd but I'm pointing more to the fact that his skill set scares Floyd far more than Ortiz's skill set. Due to the fact that he is more dangerous than Ortiz they would easily (and have easily selected) to fight Ortiz because he has a title and he doesn't have a chance. Berto would have a better chance due to the natural abilities he has, I agree 100% if he had proper training and understanding of his skill set he'd be much better. I was simply trying to point out that Floyd always hand picks his opponents based on a much lesser skill set (i.e. he will not fight anyone with speed)

[DM72]

Oh I agree that I'm overestimating Berto's chances against Floyd but I'm pointing more to the fact that his skill set scares Floyd far more than Ortiz's skill set. Due to the fact that he is more dangerous than Ortiz they would easily (and have easily selected) to fight Ortiz because he has a title and he doesn't have a chance. Berto would have a better chance due to the natural abilities he has, I agree 100% if he had proper training and understanding of his skill set he'd be much better. I was simply trying to point out that Floyd always hand picks his opponents based on a much lesser skill set (i.e. he will not fight anyone with speed)

You make a good case.

[StillUnknown]

local MD product Fernando Guerrero got blasted inside of 4 rounds by 40yr old Grady Brewer on Friday Night Fights

Guerrero looked like **** tonight

[ACW]

Well ****, hopefully just one of those nights

[StillUnknown]

Well ****, hopefully just one of those nights

to his credit, he made no excuses post fight.

he's got some serious defensive liabilities though. It was there in his last fight as he struggled with Ishe Smith, and they were fully exposed last night. He may need a switch of camps to fully realize his potential

[ClemsSC7Skinfan]

June 18

At Guadalajara, Mexico (HBO): Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Ryan Rhodes, 12 rounds, for Alvarez's WBC junior middleweight title; Jason Litzau vs. Adrien Broner, 10 rounds, junior lightweights

Results - Broner knocked out Litzau in a nice shot that he then jumped all over near the end of the 1st round to finish a knockout on what I personally felt was a quick stoppage. Litzau was not given a chance to reach his feet but I'll give the ref this he did look strange in his face/neck contortions after getting just whooped up on especially after a brutal uppercut.

Canelo looked fantastic in an 12th round TKO but the fight was never close to begin with and he was never threatened or in danger at any point. The closest round Rhodes had was the 6th and if you gave it to him it was purely because he didn't win the first 5 up to that point. As for Canelo, he just has the "it" factor. He is confident, he is powerful, he doesn't get off the game plan even if he lands several combos. It is all very impressive to watch at such a young age. I would love to see him with one of the big dogs, say....Cotto. I think it would be a brutal fight between the two. I do completely understand if they bring up along slowly still because he needs more experience with a tougher opponent than Rhodes and Matthew Hatton. Hopefully he is handled well and not like Fernando Vargas who was thrown way too early with Tito who really ruined him in my opinion. Anyhow it was entertaining to watch the maturation of Canelo but nothing of the unexpected took place. (Great body work in the fight by Canelo though which did get recognized by the commentators as well as Rhodes himself).

[mboyd784]

I think it's more painful to hear Roy Jones call a fight than to actually watch him fight, these days.

[StillUnknown]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/25/nick.charles.obit/

Nick Charles, who started off as a taxi driver and later became the first sports anchor at CNN, died Saturday after battling bladder cancer since 2009. He was 64.

Charles covered everything from the Olympics to the Super Bowl to the Kentucky Derby. But boxing was his passion.

He covered some of the most classic boxing matches -- when Tyson bit Evander Holyfield's ear, when Roberto Duran quit and told Sugar Ray Leonard, "No mas."

Seeing an undefeated Tyson get knocked out by Buster Douglas in Tokyo in 1990 was epic.

"That night was magical," Charles said. "It speaks to the uncertainty, that anybody's cloak of invincibility can be ripped away."

Charles would cry when he talked about the strength of boxers, because when he looked at the ring, he saw young men like him from the inner city who had to rely on themselves to reach success.

"You have to walk down that alley way to the ring," he said. "You're going to get hit. You have to take pain to get it. You have to fight through fear."

"There's just such an empathy I have for these guys. They want it so badly."

he was great as a commentator on Showtime. Terrible to see him go, but very glad he isn't suffering anymore.

[ClemsSC7Skinfan]

Devon Alexander vs Lucas Mathysse

Early rounds Devon came out very fast in general from hands to feet to movement. Lucas stayed about the same throughout the whole fight basically steadily moving forward throwing body shots mixed with head shots.

The harder punches all night were by Mathysse. Alexander did go down in the 4th on a nice shot but he wasn't really hurt by the punch and remained hyped up till about the 7th round. In the 7th it was like falling off a cliff with his energy level. Overall a very fun fight to watch. Alexander wins on scorecard by split decision with very odd scores so I'm going to score it myself and see how my numbers come out. Alexander won by 96-93, 95-94 with Mathysse getting one by 96-93

Alexander =10 9 10 8 10 10 9 9 10 10 = 95
Mathysse = 9 10 9 10 9 9 10 10 9 10 = 95

Okay I honestly would of given the fight a draw because I felt my score was the same as Lederman's (which was tied going into the 10th) and I didn't see either one pulling away from each other so that is why I gave it a 10-10. For anyone to have the fight so one sided for either of the two is just not right. I can agree if all cards were 95-94 assuming someone picked a winner of the 10th. So in short its unfortunate for Mathysse but both fighters did very well and possibly all they could do and I still felt it was even.

Also, I forgot that it was a Don King fight which was a first in a long time and we have scoring questions.........and people wonder why Boxing has lost so much ground to MMA much less other sports.

[chipwhich]

Okay I honestly would of given the fight a draw because I felt my score was the same as Lederman's (which was tied going into the 10th) and I didn't see either one pulling away from each other so that is why I gave it a 10-10. For anyone to have the fight so one sided for either of the two is just not right. I can agree if all cards were 95-94 assuming someone picked a winner of the 10th. So in short its unfortunate for Mathysse but both fighters did very well and possibly all they could do and I still felt it was even.

Also, I forgot that it was a Don King fight which was a first in a long time and we have scoring questions.........and people wonder why Boxing has lost so much ground to MMA much less other sports.

That "decision" was a joke. Alexander had his ass handed to him. I liked the commentary that Alexander was boxing like some used to refer to as shoe polishing. Soft touches which simply glazed the face of Mathysse.

This is why boxing sucks.

If anything the decision should have been a draw, although Mathysse clearly was the winner from a pure domination perspective. 12 rounds and Alexander might not have survived....although Mathysse was tired.

[StillUnknown]

Alexander lost plain and simple

[C26 Run]

This Saturday is the most important fight in David Hayes' career. For over 2 years, he's talked smack from London to Las Vegas. Not many people are giving him a chance to win against Klitschko. I hope David Haye wins but the odds are not looking good. I really do hope this fight goes the distance because of how long it's been building. Max Kellermans' sit down with both of them was very intense. This is going to be epic. If Haye loses, he'll lose everything.

[ACW]

I hope Haye wins. I'm sick of the Klitschkos. Either fight each other or give up the title.