All Things Boxing

[da#1skinsfan]

They can both make more money.

No doubt. Manny declining the tests = more hype & questions surrounding the biggest fight in years. None of them are stupid. It's all about money.

Manny's win over Marquez will again be a $ multiplier...and his loss won't have any effect on the Mayweather fight. These guys have it all down. Low risk high reward.

[StillUnknown]

HBO's commentators were terrible as usual, not just for the main event, but throughout the entire card.

If the roles were flipped, and Ortiz got the knockout like Floyd did, there wouldn't be half as much complaining as there is today.

[Barney B]

He is ducking Manny and anyone who doesn't see that is a moron. What Mayweather is waiting for is for either Manny to finally lose or for him to get old. Keep telling yourself it's about money. Manny/Pac has been THE fight for about 2 years now and they will not make anymore money in 18 months than they'll make now.

We get it, you hate him. You probably hate him more now than you did two years ago, and you can't wait to see him get beat, and you'll probably pay good cash to see it. More reason to suspect that he knows just what he's doing.

Back in his day, Muhammad Ali wasn't real popular, either. Like the pro wrestler Gorgeous George, after whom he modelled himself, he was brash and arrogant, and the majority wanted to see him get KO'd, and he took that animosity to the bank, again and again.

People don't sem to remember this anymore, but you can bet Floyd knows.

[DM72]

We get it, you hate him. You probably hate him more now than you did two years ago, and you can't wait to see him get beat, and you'll probably pay good cash to see it. More reason to suspect that he knows just what he's doing.

Back in his day, Muhammad Ali wasn't real popular, either. Like the pro wrestler Gorgeous George, after whom he modelled himself, he was brash and arrogant, and the majority wanted to see him get KO'd, and he took that animosity to the bank, again and again.

People don't sem to remember this anymore, but you can bet Floyd knows.

Floyd is playing you guys like a drum. What if he or Manny loses? Then what? Say what you will, but dude is scared. The proof is there. And please spare the Ali comparisons. Ali took on all challengers.

[jnhay]

Of being the more experienced fighter, who took a headbutt minutes before, and laid out a young punk who was getting frustrated because he couldnt whip Floyd like he thought he could? Yeah, sure.

The rules are clear. What none of the highlights show, and if you didnt watch the fight live you wouldnt know, is that not just seconds before that, Ortiz came up to Floyd TWICE to apologize. How many times are you going to say youre sorry in a fight? Mayweather openly accepted his first hug, openly accepted his glove touch a 2nd time...and accepted it a THIRD time. After the third damn time of touching up, you'd think the guy would put his hands up to fight, standing in the middle of the ring with one of the best fighters ever in a live match? Nope. And Floyd showed him why it's important he show some more respect.

To say that his legacy is affected in any way is almost as ridiculous as all the "he's ducking manny" comments. Very simple. Take the tests and I'll fight you. Now Manny has accepted, however I fear that before his November fight with Marquez a window will open for Floyd to accept Ortiz' rematch offer and we'll have to wait for ANOTHER round of fights before it happens.

He himself said he added to his legacy after the fight. He most likely could have won the fight cleanly, but he decided to go for the cheap shot. I watched the entire 4th round. It was a cheap shot, no matter what Ortiz did. You can't just explain it away by saying it was legal.

[da#1skinsfan]

No, he's actually playing you like a drum. We all see it but you dont. Saying "the proof is there" doesnt actually mean the proof is there.

If Manny or Floyd loses, will you still watch the fight? If Manny or Floyd both make $100M each in fights leading up to their bout, will you still watch the fight? If Manny and Floyd dont fight for 2 years, will you still watch the fight?

Right.

[DM72]

No, he's actually playing you like a drum. We all see it but you dont. Saying "the proof is there" doesnt actually mean the proof is there.

If Manny or Floyd loses, will you still watch the fight? If Manny or Floyd both make $100M each in fights leading up to their bout, will you still watch the fight? If Manny and Floyd dont fight for 2 years, will you still watch the fight?

Right.

Give it up. If Manny or Floyd loses, they might as well not even fight at that point because that would kill the buzz. I've been watching boxing for a long time and I know ducking when I see it. Great fighters take on all challengers and Floyd hasn't done that. I've seen it when Leonard avoided Hagler for years, Floyd is waiting for Manny to slow down just enough to be able to beat him.

[jnhay]

I was hoping that most people wouldn't buy that fight. What's the point in spending $60 to watch a fight where you already know the outcome?

[StillUnknown]

He himself said he added to his legacy after the fight. He most likely could have won the fight cleanly, but he decided to go for the cheap shot. I watched the entire 4th round. It was a cheap shot, no matter what Ortiz did. You can't just explain it away by saying it was legal.

Actually you can explain it away by saying it was legal. What Ortiz did was cheap and illegal, Mayweather responded in kind but within the rules. I don't see the problem. Its boxing, not golf. If a man tries to headbutt me intentionally in the ring, I'm not giving that man any respect of waiting until he's 100% ready to fight. Ortiz has been boxing all his life, he knows better than most to protect himself at all times, he got what he deserved.

I was hoping that most people wouldn't buy that fight. What's the point in spending $60 to watch a fight where you already know the outcome?

Floyd plays the villain to perfection. He knows people will pay $60+ to see him get a beatdown, he also knows there's a very small chance of that ever happening.

[jnhay]

Actually you can explain it away by saying it was legal. What Ortiz did was cheap and illegal, Mayweather responded in kind but within the rules. I don't see the problem. Its boxing, not golf. If a man tries to headbutt me intentionally in the ring, I'm not giving that man any respect of waiting until he's 100% ready to fight. Ortiz has been boxing all his life, he knows better than most to protect himself at all times, he got what he deserved.

Mayweather's constantly talking about his legacy though. But not only do people think he's ducking Pacquaio now, but that he had to land a cheap shot against a guy he should have beaten easily.

[757SeanTaylor21]

Was dirty by floyd...didnt watch it but wTched the ko on youtube...and was a dirty shot. Wont watch any floyd fights til he quits ducking manny

[Patrick Evidente]

Laugh at yourself I see you didn't see the fights.

Both fights were very close which could have gone either way.

To say Marquez "whooped" Manny in both fights is laughable.

[NoCalMike]

Whether you like what Floyd did or not, it was Ortiz that took it upon himself to make the fight dirty, so i consider what Floyd did a receipt.

Ortiz not only threw a blatant headbutt but earlier he threw a blatant elbow. Everyone knows elbows are used by crafty fighters, but crafty is something Ortiz isn't and the elbow was just so over the top and blatant.

Also, I have never seen casual boxing fans jump on a bandwagon as much as I have with Pac-man. Floyd always playing the villain probably has a lot to do with it, but it's like if you aren't in the camp that Manny will crush Floyd you are suddenly an idiot that knows nothing.

Of course Pac has a chance in the fight, he is an elite fighter, however when you look at the styles of the fighters, Floyd has the technical skill set and style to combat Manny's strengths.

Do you think it is a coincidence that up until now Bob Arum has been matching Manny up with fighters that walk straight forward with no head movement into punches? It is called getting a style matchup in your favor, and Pac-man fanboys can careless, they overlook this because they are fans of him. I think fans of BOXING rather than specific fighters have been making this point for a couple of years now.

As far as the third JMM fight, the first one was a draw, the second was a controversial SPLIT DECISION for Pac. Now for the 3rd fight, I think Pac should be favored because it is taking place at a higher weight class than the previous two, which I think hurts JMM more than Pac.

They don't call Floyd, "Money" Mayweather for nothing. Everything he does is a calculation to get more of everyone's money. If it means making himself so hated that the world will buy a PPV to see him lose, than so be it.

[Bubble Screen]

LOL@ the Mayweather fans. They're always gonna be in denial about Floyd being scared to fight Pac. It's plain to everyone but FM fans, it seems.

As for the KO. Ortiz was stupid to stand there after they touched gloves, and not defend himself. However, it's still a cheap way to win a fight. Typical Floyd. Pac will mess the boy up.

[NoCalMike]

Also the whole notion of "Floyd being scared"

Lets look at who Pac has been fighting for the last couple of years. Over the hill has beens and/or guys who all fit into one category as far as style goes. You are kidding yourself if you don't think his opponents haven't been hand picked either.