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    Indiana Jones meets the Da Vinci Code

    By Spengler

    Islam watchers blogged all weekend about news that a secret archive of ancient Islamic texts had surfaced after 60 years of suppression. Andrew Higgins' Wall Street Journal report that the photographic record of Koranic manuscripts, supposedly destroyed during World War II but occulted by a scholar of alleged Nazi sympathies, reads like a conflation of the Da Vinci Code with Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail.

    The Da Vinci Code offered a silly fantasy in which Opus Dei, homicidal monks and twisted billionaires chased after proof that Christianity is a hoax. But the story of the photographic archive of the Bavarian Academy of Sciences, now ensconced in a Berlin vault, is a case of life imitating truly dreadful art. It even has Nazis. "I hate those guys!" as Indiana Jones said.

    No one is going to produce proof that Jesus Christ did not rise from the grave three days after the Crucifixion, of course. Humankind will choose to believe or not that God revealed Himself in this fashion. But Islam stands at risk of a Da Vinci Code effect, for in Islam, God's self-revelation took the form not of the Exodus, nor the revelation at Mount Sinai, nor the Resurrection, but rather a book, namely the Koran. The Encyclopaedia of Islam (1982) observes, "The closest analogue in Christian belief to the role of the Koran in Muslim belief is not the Bible, but Christ." The Koran alone is the revelatory event in Islam.

    What if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad during the 7th century, but rather was redacted by later writers drawing on a variety of extant Christian and Jewish sources? That would be the precise equivalent of proving that the Jesus Christ of the Gospels really was a composite of several individuals, some of whom lived a century or two apart.

    It has long been known that variant copies of the Koran exist, including some found in 1972 in a paper grave at Sa'na in Yemen, the subject of a cover story in the January 1999 Atlantic Monthly. Before the Yemeni authorities shut the door to Western scholars, two German academics, Gerhard R Puin and H C Graf von Bothmer, made 35,000 microfilm copies, which remain at the University of the Saarland. Many scholars believe that the German archive, which includes photocopies of manuscripts as old as 700 AD, will provide more evidence of variation in the Koran.

    The history of the archive reads like an Islamic version of the Da Vinci Code. It is not clear why its existence was occulted for sixty years, or why it has come to light now, or when scholars will have free access to it. Higgins' account begins,

    On the night of April 24, 1944, British air force bombers hammered a former Jesuit college here housing the Bavarian Academy of Science. The 16th-century building crumpled in the inferno. Among the treasures lost, later lamented Anton Spitaler, an Arabic scholar at the academy, was a unique photo archive of ancient manuscripts of the Koran.

    The 450 rolls of film had been assembled before the war for a bold venture: a study of the evolution of the Koran, the text Muslims view as the verbatim transcript of God's word. The wartime destruction made the project "outright impossible", Mr Spitaler wrote in the 1970s.

    Mr Spitaler was lying. The cache of photos survived, and he was sitting on it all along. The truth is only now dribbling out to scholars - and a Koran research project buried for more than 60 years has risen from the grave. Why Spitaler concealed the archive is unknown, but Koranic critics who challenge the received Muslim account suspect his motives.
    Higgins reports, "The whole period after 1945 was poisoned by the Nazis," says Gunter Luling, a scholar who was drummed out of his university in the 1970s after he put forward heterodox theories about the Koran's origins. His doctoral thesis argued that the Koran was lifted in part from Christian hymns. Blackballed by Spitaler, Luling lost his teaching job and launched a fruitless six-year court battle to be reinstated. Feuding over the Koran, he says, "ruined my life".

    He wrote books and articles at home, funded by his wife, who took a job in a pharmacy. Asked by a French journal to write a paper on German Arabists, Luling went to Berlin to examine wartime records. Germany's prominent postwar Arabic scholars, he says, "were all connected to the Nazis".

    Why were the Nazis so eager to suppress Koranic criticism? Most likely, the answer lies in their alliance with Islamist leaders, who shared their hatred of the Jews and also sought leverage against the British in the Middle East. The most recent of many books on this subject, Matthias Kuntzel's Jihad and Jew-Hatred, was reviewed January 13 in the New York Times by Jeffrey Goldberg, who reports

    Kuntzel makes a bold and consequential argument: the dissemination of European models of anti-Semitism among Muslims was not haphazard, but an actual project of the Nazi Party, meant to turn Muslims against Jews and Zionism. He says that in the years before World War II, two Muslim leaders in particular willingly and knowingly carried Nazi ideology directly to the Muslim masses. They were Haj Amin al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem, and the Egyptian proto-Islamist Hassan al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    It may be a very long time before the contents of the Bavarian archive are known. Some Koranic critics, notably the pseudonymous scholar "Ibn Warraq", claim that Professor Angelika Neuwirth, the archive's custodian, has denied access to scholars who stray from the traditional interpretation. Neuwirth admits that she has had the archive since 1990. She has 18 years of funding to study the Bavarian archive, and it is not clear who will have access to it.

    When the Atlantic Monthly story on Koranic criticism appeared nine years ago, author Toby Lester expected early results from the Yemeni finds.

    Von Bothmer, Puin, and other scholars will finally have a chance to scrutinize the texts and to publish their findings freely - a prospect that thrills Puin. "So many Muslims have this belief that everything between the two covers of the Koran is just God's unaltered word," he says. "They like to quote the textual work that shows that the Bible has a history and did not fall straight out of the sky, but until now the Koran has been out of this discussion. The only way to break through this wall is to prove that the Koran has a history too. The Sana'a fragments will help us to do this.
    In 2005, Puin published a collection of articles under the title, Die dunklen Anfange. Neue Forschungen zur Entstehung und fruhen Geschichte des Islam ("The dark beginnings: new research on the origin and early history of Islam," Hans Schiller Verlag, 2005). This drew on the work of the pseudonymous German philologist "Christoph Luxenburg", who sought to prove that incomprehensible passages in the Koran were written in Syriac-Aramaic rather than Arabic. Luxenburg's thesis became notorious for explaining that the "virgins" provided to Islamic jihadis in paradise were only raisins. The Koran, according to the research of Puin and his associates, copied a great deal of extant Christian material.

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    Hope this Spengler dude owns a bomb-proof vest.
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    This is literally a bomb waiting to go off (No pun intended or suggested). This would be one of the most earth-shattering things to happen in human history. 18% of the world population are Muslim.
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    I'm suspicious of the source, though the idea that orthodox Islamic scholars and religious leaders suppress dissenting research and views is nothing new.

    Spengler is a columnist, not a reporter, and he's written some, ah, interesting columns in the past.
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    Here is the original article in the Wall Street Journal: The Lost Archive: Missing for a half century, a cache of photos spurs sensitive research on Islam's holy text, for those who might like a slightly more neutral presentation (rather than a guy who uses a pseudonym and describes himself as advancing a Judeo-Christian agenda). An excerpt:

    On the night of April 24, 1944, British air force bombers hammered a former Jesuit college here housing the Bavarian Academy of Science. The 16th-century building crumpled in the inferno. Among the treasures lost, later lamented Anton Spitaler, an Arabic scholar at the academy, was a unique photo archive of ancient manuscripts of the Quran.

    The 450 rolls of film had been assembled before the war for a bold venture: a study of the evolution of the Quran, the text Muslims view as the verbatim transcript of God's word. The wartime destruction made the project "outright impossible," Mr. Spitaler wrote in the 1970s.


    Mr. Spitaler was lying. The cache of photos survived, and he was sitting on it all along. The truth is only now dribbling out to scholars -- and a Quran research project buried for more than 60 years has risen from the grave.

    "He pretended it disappeared. He wanted to be rid of it," says Angelika Neuwirth, a former pupil and protégée of the late Mr. Spitaler. Academics who worked with Mr. Spitaler, a powerful figure in postwar German scholarship who died in 2003, have been left guessing why he squirreled away the unusual trove for so long.

    Ms. Neuwirth, a professor of Arabic studies at Berlin's Free University, now is overseeing a revival of the research. The project renews a grand tradition of German Quranic scholarship that was interrupted by the Third Reich. The Nazis purged Jewish experts on ancient Arabic texts and compelled Aryan colleagues to serve the war effort. Middle East scholars worked as intelligence officers, interrogators and linguists. Mr. Spitaler himself served, apparently as a translator, in the German-Arab Infantry Battalion 845, a unit of Arab volunteers to the Nazi cause, according to wartime records.
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    Islamic theologins have always known Mohamed was illiterate. Mohomed certainly did not write the Koran. Also Mohamed himself describes his revelation as building on Judea Christian beliefs. Mohomed actually approached Jews and discussed his revolations with them. They rejected him, and this was described by Mohomed as a great suprise, because he saw himself as Muslims see him today, as yet another in a long line of Judea Christian prophets.....


    Seems like this article is just repackaging what is already known to be historical truth.

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    I doubt it will really change anything. Those who want to believe will continue to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoony
    I doubt it will really change anything. Those who want to believe will continue to do so.

    If the Mormons survived the chamilian with the stone glasses scandal, I don't imagine the Muslims will have a problem with the revolation to non muslims what Muslims have known for hundreds of years. Mohomed was iliterate and did not himself write the Koran. Mohomeds revolations are based upon Judea/Christian beliefs. The God of Mohomed is the same God Christians worship, and Jews have worshiped before Christians.

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    Again, All this is in Wikipedia...


    Traditions regarding the life of Prophet Muhammad and the early history of Islam were passed down orally for more than a hundred years after the death of Muhammad in 632.

    Muslim historians say that it was the caliph Uthman (the third caliph, or successor of Muhammad, who had formerly been Muhammad's secretary), who first urged Muslims both to write down the Qur'an in a fixed form, and to write down the hadith. Uthman's labors were cut short by his assassination, at the hands of aggrieved soldiers, in 656.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith

    Jesus didn't write down anything in his lifetime either. That hasn't stopped or even disuaded any fundimentalist Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMS
    Again, All this is in Wikipedia...





    Jesus didn't write down anything in his lifetime either. That hasn't stopped or even disuaded any fundimentalist Christians.
    That's what's always questioned me. Muslims believe it's the direct word of god. But it was still written by humans, not even the one that got the teachings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GibbsFactor
    That's what's always questioned me. Muslims believe it's the direct word of god. But it was still written by humans, not even the one that got the teachings.
    Muslims believe that the prophet Muhammed, though illiterate, directly dictated verbatim the word of God in the form of the Koran. Islam teaches, in fact, that the Koran is the only miracle associated with the prophet Muhammed.

    Islam also teaches that the Koran was perfectly transmitted orally, until Uthman had it written down (again perfectly), so that it is still in its perfect, original state today.

    As the article notes, the Bible is not really a good analogy. The Christian believes that the Bible is a record of miracles. The Muslim believes that the Koran is a miracle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMS
    Jesus didn't write down anything in his lifetime either. That hasn't stopped or even disuaded any fundimentalist Christians.
    I think the difference being that allegedly this "evidence" shows that the current text of the Koran is very different than the original whereas the evidence we have of the bible is supportive of its accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techboy
    Muslims believe that the prophet Muhammed, though illiterate, directly dictated verbatim the word of God in the form of the Koran. Islam teaches, in fact, that the Koran is the only miracle associated with the prophet Muhammed.

    Islam also teaches that the Koran was perfectly transmitted orally, until Uthman had it written down (again perfectly), so that it is still in its perfect, original state today.

    As the article notes, the Bible is not really a good analogy. The Christian believes that the Bible is a record of miracles. The Muslim believes that the Koran is a miracle.
    That makes sense. I knew the actual book was the miracle, but wasn't sure on the history of it.

    So Muhammad was like a human audio recorder. The first, walkman if you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GibbsFactor
    That's what's always questioned me. Muslims believe it's the direct word of god. But it was still written by humans, not even the one that got the teachings.
    I don't think you can lump all Moslems in a group like that. Most Moslems trust that the Koran is the words of Mohomed, just like most Christans believe the Bible contains the words of Christ. Neither book was written in the lifetime of the person who's life it describes.

    I think you could find many Christans who would say the Bible is the word of God, most even. Likely the same for the Koran and Moslems. In each case the history is known and widely understood, yet is still irrelivent because we are talking faith here, not science or reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zguy28
    I think the difference being that allegedly this "evidence" shows that the current text of the Koran is very different than the original whereas the evidence we have of the bible is supportive of its accuracy.
    I think it's more than that, really. Even the most orthodox of Christian scholars know that there are (generally very minor) issues with textual transmission, and so are always working to improve understanding of the exact wording of the original texts.

    Orthodox Islam, as I understand it though, believes that they already have a perfect miraculous text, so to accept evidence of alteration or a source other than direct transmission from God would cause a gigantic shift in outlook, at the very least.

    Of course, who knows what, if anything, will come of this.
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