ExtremeSkins FF Dynasty League

[the burgundy and gold]

I'll be starting a league thread which will be pinned at the top of the forum. The purpose of the thread will basically be to refer to for rules and regs., league history and record-keeping. By all means add as you see fit but please try not to clutter it w/trash talking and drawn out discussions.

i think it'd be cool if in that first post in that thread we got a list of the team names in the league and then put there ES user name next to it. Obviously that would mean we'd have to choose team names now, but i think that'd be cool.

[Touchdown Redskins]

i think it'd be cool if in that first post in that thread we got a list of the team names in the league and then put there ES user name next to it. Obviously that would mean we'd have to choose team names now, but i think that'd be cool.

And email addresses?

[GOSKN5]

I think posting team names and emails etc would be cool too.... how about a little bio about each person, their fantasy football background, where they live, go to school, work, hobbies and stuff.... etc.....

just so we can get an idea of who we are playing against, especially since we could all potentially be playing in this league with the same people for a long long time.....???? just a thought... might be cause for another thread for this info...

[stoshuaj]

I think posting team names and emails etc would be cool too.... how about a little bio about each person, their fantasy football background, where they live, go to school, work, hobbies and stuff.... etc.....

just so we can get an idea of who we are playing against, especially since we could all potentially be playing in this league with the same people for a long long time.....???? just a thought... might be cause for another thread for this info...

The team names won't be a problem at all. When you know what your team name is going to be, just send me a PM.

I'll probably pass on putting everyone's e-mail address in the public thread. By all means, I think we need to exchange e-mails but probably need to keep those within the league members.

Bios sounds ok too. Instead of trying to jumble them in there with the rest of the league stuff, how about if everyone just posts in the thread as a way of introducing themselves.

[GOSKN5]

The team names won't be a problem at all. When you know what your team name is going to be, just send me a PM.

I'll probably pass on putting everyone's e-mail address in the public thread. By all means, I think we need to exchange e-mails but probably need to keep those within the league members.

Bios sounds ok too. Instead of trying to jumble them in there with the rest of the league stuff, how about if everyone just posts in the thread as a way of introducing themselves.

I think we should just have a seperate thread for everyone to post their bios...like an Extremeskins FF Dynasty league bio page or something?? We gotta have something going to help us deal with the boredom that is the OFFSEASON....

[stoshuaj]

Welcome to ExtremeSkins Dynasty League

This league is specifically for fantasy footballers within the ES community.


The purpose of this thread is to compile and maintain league settings, rules and regulations, and league history.


The original 12 managers: (team name)



Phoward12* (The Plow Hards)

Stoshuaj

Kuraitengai (R2 Trickstas)

Chuong9

Touchdown Redskins (Mathletes)

GOSKN5 (Reality-Check)

KNGwithOUTaCrwN

TheBurgundy and Gold

Drop (Beatdown INC)

TheArmchairQB (Baby Dolphins for Dinner)

SkinsNut73 (Cereal Killers)

Twenty-Eight



(* denotes commissioner)

We will have a public waiting list of those that have expressed an interest in joining. In the event that any openings become available, these individuals will be contacted in listing order.



I would also hope that if enough people show interest by getting on the waiting list, that perhaps more dynasty (or other type) leagues may be filled using this list as a starting point to find prospective owners.



If anyone would like to be placed on the waiting list, please feel free to PM your request to any member of the league.



The current waiting list:

Bandito28
Drew FL
Superskin6
DC Skins 12
SkinsBoyeez
TMAT184
tim5129





League setup:



We will be using Yahoo as the preferred site to host our league. The commissioner and one other member of the league will have the commissioner password to the league. Only the acting commissioner will make any changes within the league.



The team rosters will consist of 24 players. If desired the roster size may be varied by 1 spot per year, based on league majority vote.



**edit** due to the impatience of some of our owners, the draft starts now.......lol

The initial rookie draft will begin 1 week ASAP after the completion of the inaugural draft.


Initial draft order will be determined by:
http://www.profantasysports.com/draft_randomizer/


Subsequent draft order will be determined by final (after playoff) standings. The draft order will be from worst to first. Draft pick trading is permitted.



The draft will be in serpentine order. (i.e.: picks 1-12, then 12-1 reverse order)

Rookie drafts will NOT be in serpentine order. The draft sequence will remain the same for each round. (i.e.: if you have the number 1 pick in round 1, you will also have the number 1 pick in round 2.)



The regular season schedule will be determined randomly by the league hosting site.



Regular season will utilize head-to-head scoring to determine game winners. There will be no provision for regular season game tie-breakers.



Final regular season standings and playoff seeding will be determined by W/L record. In the event of a tie at the end of the season, the tie-breaker will be total points scored for the entirety of the season.

League Scoring:

Quarterbacks:
1 Point per 25 yards passing
6 points for passing Touchdowns
-2 points for fumbles (lost only), interceptions
2 points for 2pt conversions

Quarterback/Running Back/Wide Receiver/Tight End
1 point per 10 yards rushing/receiving
6 points for rushing/receiving touchdowns
-2 points for fumbles (lost only)
2 points for 2pt conversion
1 point per reception
1 point per 30 return yards

IDP and D/ST scoring
1 point per 30 return yards
2 points per INT or fumble recovered
0.5 point per tackle (assisted or solo, they both have the same value)
1 point per sack (half sacks would obviously be 0.5 points)
6 points per TD
3 points for a blocked kick (since they are so rare)

Kickers
5 points for 50+ yard FG
4 points for 40-49 yard FG
3 points for 39 yards and closer
-1 points for missing 30 yards and closer
1 point per PAT
-1 point for missing PAT

Starting Lineup:

The starting lineup will consist of the following positions:
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 flex (RB or WR)
1 TE
1 K
1 D/ST
1 DL
1 LB
1 DB

Trades:

Trades will be processed by the Commish as soon as he is notified by both trading parties. This means that the trading owners will be able to utilize the players immediately.

In the event that a trade is considered objectionable, other owners will have 24 hours to contact the Commish and voice their grievances. If a majority of owners contact the Commish, the trade will then be put on hold and a public dialogue will take place on the league message board provided by Yahoo.

After a 24 hour period with no objections all trades will be considered final.

[Forehead]

Alright, let's get part two up and running, where we discuss scoring.

Quarterbacks:

1 Point per 25 yards passing
6 points for passing Touchdowns
-2 points for fumbles, interceptions
2 points for 2pt conversions

Running Back/Wide Receiver/Tight End
1 point per 10 yards rushing/receiving
6 points for rushing/receiving touchdowns
-2 points for fumbles
2 points for 2pt conversion

*There has been discussion about point per rush and point per reception*

Special Teams
1 point per 20 return yards?
6 points for return touchdowns?

Kickers
1 pt for XP
3 pts for Field Goals 0-39
4 pts for Field Goals 40-49
5 points for Field Goals 50+

*Some discussion about penalizing kickers for missed chip shot field goals.*

Defense/IDP (both)

2 points for fumble recoveries/interceptions/blocked kicks
1 point for sacks

Defense only
Standard point deductions for points allowed, I don't have them all memorized

For IDP's

.5 point for tackles?


That's a pretty standard setup. I'm in agreement with most of what's up here. I am against the idea of point per carries for running backs, I think that would inflate their value way too much. Running backs often have pedestrian 20 carry-50 yard days, I don't want crap like that being worth 25 points. I might be open to a point per reception rule for RB/WR/TE because it might make WR's about as valuable as RB's in some instances. I'd lean towards no on that, but would be more open to it that point per carry.

I'm okay with penalizing kickers, but I think it should only be for missing chipshots, like 30 yards or less. Anything higher and you start rewarding kickers who are in domes too much.

For IDP's, I put .5 points for tackles only because I don't know if you want a tackle to be worth as much as a sack. Since we had earlier talked about how IDP and Team Defensive scoring had to match up...sacks are only 1 point for team defenses.

Return stats are all question marks because I've never played with them before, and have no idea if that's accurate.

Please vote and discuss.

[Touchdown Redskins]

BTW, for all point values, I think we should subscribe to fractions of points. For example, if an RB gains 25 yards, that would be worth 2.5 points. Otherwise, chunks of yardage just get lost.

Quarterback/RBs/WRs/TEs
I am generall in agreement on the point values that Phoward12 posted, except for one caveat: I think fumbles lost should be -2 points (as opposed to all fumbles being -2 points). Otherwise there would be some major point deductions. Fumbles that are recovered by the fumbling team should be worth nothing.

As for as points per reception or carry, I'm not too fond of this, so I vote against it. However, if people decide to use this system, then I think we should have 1 point per reception and 0.2 points per carry. That way 5 carries is equivalent to 1 catch, which makes sense in the grand scheme of how football is played.

Special Teams
I think that the ratio should be 1 point per 50 yards. I know this is a little tough on the special teams, but it really is easy to gain yards like this, and then every single kickoff return would be worth 2 points. That could be 10 points just off kickoff returns in a high-scoring game, which isn't what we're trying to reward. Those 10 points would negate the penalty for allowing more than 27 points, which doesn't make sense to me. Other than that, I agree with the TD return being worth 6 points.

Kickers
I agree with the point values. I think penalization should take place only for missing something closer than 30 yards. So basically, -1 points would be the penalization, and that would include PATs. If anyone has a better system than this I'm willing to listen.

IDP/Defense
I agree with the posted points. I don't think we should differentiate between assisted tackles and solo tackles, otherwise it gets a little too convoluted. I also think that blocked kicks should be worth 3 points, since they are rarer than an INT or fumble recovery.

[kuraitengai]

i was going to bring up the fraction points as well. i think all my leagues did that this year. rush for 25 yards and you get 2.5 points. it was the same with receiving yards. im not sure if they did it for qbs too, but it would be the same idea.

i like the idea of the -2 points on a lost fumble too.

i dont care about PPR or PPC. if we do it fine, if we dont, fine. just dont let it inflate the players value too much if we do.

maybe on the special teams yardage....if 1 point for 20 yards is too much and people think 1 for 50 is too little. see what the average return for the year was and pick something close to that. or where the average start position. like if the league average start position was at the 35. then wed get 1 point for 35 yards. then it would be the average. just a thought.

missing a PAT or a FG inside 30 yards, im cool with -1 point.

IDP, i think we do need to keep IDP and D/ST stats the same. so a sack is 1 point. so all tackles should be .5 points. it would get too complicated to differentiate between solo and assisted. and the only way i see doing that is a sack is 1 point. a solo tackle is .5 and an assisted tackle is .25. then that gets complicated working with the fractions.

[stoshuaj]

1 vote for PPR

1 vote against PPC

def -2 only for fumbles lost

never seen DT/ST given return yard points. would you also be giving return yard points for interceptions and fumbles?

kicking is fine but I'd prefer a "tiered" system for misses as well as makes. (i.e.: miss 1-20 = -3
21-30 = -1

sack = 1
tackle = .5
no assisted tackle points

I'm fine with the standard defensive points allowed, although I usually jack up the points for shutout - 6 points allowed b/c I think that's worth more than a TD.

[Touchdown Redskins]

So I looked up the average starting position for the NFL, and I couldn't find one for the whole season (maybe someone else can), but KC Joyner said that the worst starting field possession was the 26 yard line, while the 2nd best was the 30 yard line. Maybe we should give 1 point per 30 yards return.

However, the thing is, this is based solely on kickoff returns. The D/ST position also awards points based off of INT and fumble returns. I think 1 point per 30 yards for all returns sounds about fair, so an INT return from the goal line would be 9.3 points, which sounds about right.

[the burgundy and gold]

i vote for PPR but vote against PPC.

[THEArmchairQB]

Here are my preferences, if you need my 'vote' on specific items let me know

QBs
1 P/25 Yards Passing
4 P/Passing Touchdown (I think 6 is to high, the guy who had Brady in my league last year ran away with it.)
6 P/Rushing Touchdown
-1 P/Fumble
-1 P/Fumble Lost (I think you should still lose points even if the fumble is recovered. A QB's fumble can kill a drive with yards lost.)
-2 P/Interception
-1 P/Sack

Receiving/Rushing
I am cool with standard scoring
1 P/10 yards gained
6 P/Touchdown
-1 P/Fumble
-1 P/Fumble lost (see above)
I would really like to do a PPReception league. This boosts the value of veteren receivers that don't stretch the field as much anymore but are still important to the offense. Ex: Wes Welker, Derrick Mason, Amani Toomer. PPReception should also apply to RB's. I would like to go with .5 PPR.
2 P/2PT Conversion

D/ST and IDP
I've never seen yardage given to ST, it doesn't make sense to me. I think it would decide a lot of close games and we would have pissed off owners. Imagine if you had a game that was within 5 points down to the wire, but was decided by K/O yardage on MNF?

I think we need to decide on D/ST versus IDP in this round. Some owners want both and some want one or the other.
I vote for no D/ST.
I vote for Three IDP slots. (DL, LB, DB/S)

Scoring for both
6 P/Touchdown
2 P/Interception/Fumble Recovery
1 P/Fumble Forced/Blocked Kick
1 P/Sack

IDP Scoring
1 P/Tackle
.5 P/Assist
1 P/Sack
.5 P/Half Sack

[EDIT]
To give our IDPs any real value we need to assign more value to their points.

3 P/Interception
6 P/Interception return TD
2 P/Forced fumble
2 P/Fumble recovered
6 P/Fumble recovery touchdown
1.5 P/.5 Sack
1 P/Tackle
.5 P/Assist
4 P/Safety

I also think we should add more IDP slots. If we only field 3/IDPs each we will all have really deep defensive squads. There are definitely 36 defensive studs in the NFL. I think we should go as high as 2 slots/position.

2DL
2LB
2S/DB

This still leaves the scoring balance on the offensive side of the ball, with 8 starters there and 6 on defense.

Obviously we would have to add more slots to the bench to accomodate fielding more players, but I'm down for it. I've never done an IDP league before so I've done a lot of reading up on it over the last couple of days. Chime in and lets figure out who is serious about the IDP part.

If you guys don't want to go all in on the IDP side thats cool with me too, I just think we would have a banging league with this setup.

[/EDIT]

If it were up to me I would get rid of the kicker, so I guess my vote is for no kicker slot. I vote for standard scoring for kickers.

[Drop]

Point per reception and no point per carry is fine with me.

[the burgundy and gold]

so are we in agreement to have PPR and not to have PPC?