ExtremeSkins FF Dynasty League

[the burgundy and gold]

yeah, i'm probably goign to be coming up with 50 different strategies for the draft before April.

[stoshuaj]

ladies, draft order is up in the pinned thread

[the burgundy and gold]

anyone wanna trade for the 9th pick?

[Touchdown Redskins]

Guys, I have the 12th overall pick. I'm not looking to trade that particular pick, but I would like to package some picks and get one in the top 5. I am willing to let my 13th overall pick go as well as another pick. Please let me know.

[Forehead]

Not bad at all. While the 6th pick overall won't be enough to get one of the absolute top studs of the league, the 1st round is it's only disadvantage. Being right in the middle of every round is a nice way of building a team from the ground up. I foresee many competitive season from The Plow Hards. (P.S., get my team name right, shosh!)

What to do, what to do. I might be exploring the idea of trading down, who knows. It's sort of an anti-Redskin ideal, moving down and accumulating more picks, but we'll see.

The only real problem with trading picks is that you have to fill an exact number of spots on your team. For instance, if I was to offer the 6th pick, plus my 4th and 5th rounders to Stosh for the #2 pick (hypothetically) then Stosh would have 26 picks, but only 24 spots on the roster. This will be interesting.

[KNGwithOUTaCrwN]

sweet got the draft order and im 10th overall....not sure if i want to trade any yet,still thinking...be back later

[Forehead]

OKay, to clear up some questions first. When I posted the -2 points for fumbles, I indeed meant that to apply only to fumbles lost, no worries there. I'm kind of against the "draft pick draft" idea, I'd prefer for you to take whatever pick you finish with, and then trade with other owners if you want to move around.

Kuraitengai, your idea with divisions and playoff format is intriguing, but there's only so much that I can do with Yahoo's setup, and I think what you're proposing might be a little complicated.

As to the playoff brackets and next years draft picks, in the system I proposed, the champs bracket would be teams 1-4, and yes, whoever loses both games in that bracket would get pick #9, you can't get any better than that without trading. Picks 5-8 would go to consolation, picks 1-4 to the scrubs. As I say this, I do not know if Yahoo allows a three division playoff format, I will have to explore this. If it does not, I'm fine with the 6 team/6 team format, with the 1,2,7 and 8 seeds getting byes week 14.

Anyway, we've covered most of the scoring, and most of the important rules. The thing to remember is that regardless of scoring, your draft style probably isn't going to be affected significantly, so let's not harp too much on fractional points and stuff like that. I plan on doing this for quite a few years, we can always modify the league each year if things don't work out. It might be easier to just set the scoring to some defaults, then we can modify it before week 1, we generally have at least 2 months to do that. On to other things.

Do we want to instill some penalty for tanking, or are we just going to be honorable? For instance, you have a lousy season, and lose the first game in the scrubs bracket, now you're playing for the #1 and #2 pick in the draft next year. With less than 2 minutes to go before 1:00, you log in and "accidentally" sit all your players, guaranteeing yourself the #1 pick next year. Do we want something in place for situations like this? I'm not saying anyone will do it, but you never know, if and when we have to bring in new owners.

Also, I propose that drafts in future years be run like real NFL drafts. For instance, if you have the #1 pick in round 1, you have the #1 pick in rounds 2 and 3 as well, depending on how long the rookie draft is. That might help a little for parity sake.

We'll also need to determine trophy presentations. I don't know how many of you are season ticket holders like me, but do we want to have it at the ES Tailgate? At a bar after the season? I know some of you live a little further away, but I'd appreciate it if everyone was there when I accept my award for basically murdering all of you.

Really, I'm thinking that may be about it. I have to say, with the actual NFL draft a ways off, I'm already starting to get a serious jonesing about this thing. I know that we already agreed to wait until after the real draft in April, but I may have a hard time waiting that long. With that in mind, if we break down and start early, would we need to re-randomize for the rookie draft, or just keep the same order?

Oh also, as far as trading goes. As commish, I have no problems forcing trades through. For instance, two people decide on a player sway Saturday morning. Standard time is two days, to give everyone a chance to review and *****, but since we've agreed not to dis-allow trades, I can always force things once I'm notified by both parties, so that you can use your new players that week. Let me know if there are objections to this.

Last, but not least, don't forget to notify me when you are trading picks, etc. leading up to our draft, so I can keep track on the big board.

[GOSKN5]

Do we want to instill some penalty for tanking, or are we just going to be honorable? For instance, you have a lousy season, and lose the first game in the scrubs bracket, now you're playing for the #1 and #2 pick in the draft next year. With less than 2 minutes to go before 1:00, you log in and "accidentally" sit all your players, guaranteeing yourself the #1 pick next year. Do we want something in place for situations like this? I'm not saying anyone will do it, but you never know, if and when we have to bring in new owners.

I think you have to have something in place for this type of thing?? A pre-determined penalty or something?

Also, I propose that drafts in future years be run like real NFL drafts. For instance, if you have the #1 pick in round 1, you have the #1 pick in rounds 2 and 3 as well, depending on how long the rookie draft is. That might help a little for parity sake.

I agree this will help the teams that finished lower rebuild their team etc...

We'll also need to determine trophy presentations. I don't know how many of you are season ticket holders like me, but do we want to have it at the ES Tailgate? At a bar after the season? I know some of you live a little further away, but I'd appreciate it if everyone was there when I accept my award for basically murdering all of you.

Doesnt matter to me. I would hope some or most could make it but it might not be possible for all of us.

Really, I'm thinking that may be about it. I have to say, with the actual NFL draft a ways off, I'm already starting to get a serious jonesing about this thing. I know that we already agreed to wait until after the real draft in April, but I may have a hard time waiting that long. With that in mind, if we break down and start early, would we need to re-randomize for the rookie draft, or just keep the same order?

I say lets do it man..... We can have the draft in a few weeks or so and then have a rookie draft after the NFL draft... heck yeah man I am ready for that.

Oh also, as far as trading goes. As commish, I have no problems forcing trades through. For instance, two people decide on a player sway Saturday morning. Standard time is two days, to give everyone a chance to review and *****, but since we've agreed not to dis-allow trades, I can always force things once I'm notified by both parties, so that you can use your new players that week. Let me know if there are objections to this.

Sounds good to me man. As long as things are kept consistent across the board.

[Touchdown Redskins]

These are my thoughts on Phoward12's post:

1. The penalty for tanking should obviously be getting the lowest draft choice that you could possibly get. If someone is tanking to get the #1 rather than the #2 pick, then they should get the #2 pick. A harsher way to do this would be to give that person the worst draft pick of their bracket. In the same example, the person would get the #4 pick, because that's the worst pick in the scrub bracket. (They could also be fined $500,000 a la Belicheck).

2. I say the rookie drafts (aside from the inaugural one) should be non-serpentine, as you suggested. Obviously the first one should be serpentine, because we have no established league yet and we should give everyone a fair shot at talent.

Or maybe, we could have the rookie draft be reverse order from the regular draft (I suggest this because I'm in the 12th position in the draft ).

3. The trophy presentation would be money if it were live. Unfortunately I can't promise that I'll be there for all of them, but I can try my best. If worse comes to worse, I'll just gloat by webcam.

4. I'm fine with you pushing trades through, as long as the trades are fair (which is a stipulation of all trades, so it shouldn't be a problem).

5. Most important, let's just do the regular draft and then re-randomize for the rookie draft after the real NFL draft. I honestly can't bear it any longer, and I want to get this show on the road. Does anyone have a problem doing that?

Oh and btw, I'm still willing to trade up to a top five pick. I could be willing to offer my 2nd round pick (13th overall) and my 4th round pick (37th overall) as compensation.

[GOSKN5]

I said it before but I will say it again. Lets give everyone a week from today and have the draft. I can be ready by then.

Then we can reorganize and have the rookie draft too. That way not only do we get to have our draft now, but we get to have two drafts in one offseason. Sounds great to me.

[stoshuaj]

pick 2 is up for sale

just to be the devil's advocate on the 2 draft scenario....

if you have two drafts, how many rounds are you going to make the initial draft?

do I draft 24 and then have to cut someone to make room for my rookie draft pick?

how many rounds is the rookie draft? (I would think no more than 2)

what if I had/have no plans on drafting a rookie for my initial roster?

you do realize that the initial draft is going to take a while?

devil's advocate "off"...I don't care, just make a decision b/c I'm itching to trade the 2 and adding a rookie pick into the mix just adds to the options

[Forehead]

Let's wait for everyone else to chime in, but it looks like we might be getting this started earlier than usual.


As for the draft, our regular draft can still be 24 slots. The rookie draft can be 3 rounds, that gets you just into the second round of the real draft. We can work the rookie draft like the Major League Baseball draft. For those unfamiliar, the MLB draft is something like 50 rounds. If you draft say...45 players, and don't want anyone else, you can elect to "pass" and they just skip you for the rest of the draft. We can do the same here. If you have 23 people you want to keep, and want to just draft one rookie, then draft him in Round 1, and then pass on the rest of the draft.

Note that passing means the rest of the draft, you can't come back later and say you've changed your mind and want to take someone. You get moved to the back of the line.

[stoshuaj]

what kind of timer are you thinking for the draft? 24 hours?

[Forehead]

what kind of timer are you thinking for the draft? 24 hours?

Not at first...I don't even have a draft sheet prepared yet. If it starts to drag, then we can start putting in timers, but for now, let's see if we can do this without having to police everyone. I'll send out PMs for slackers.

[stoshuaj]

pffft, draft sheets are for sissies. Who's on the clock? SkinsNut?

need to know order of the rook draft so I can work my magic. The 1.2 startup and the 1.2 rook HAS to be worth sumthin'