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    Thank you all again. Much appreciated. Using my first pass for a long post:

    CMill- according to our current rules in the roster thread, FA will open when we all determine. The new league year starts sometime in the summer according to FF. We have always had the draft first, which this year is April 26. Last year we opened FA in early August because of the lockout, but before that it was in July.

    As far as an agenda for the offseason, Im not gonna start making a bunch of rule change proposals. I think we should establish a system for them to be evaluated so that legitimate claims that members have will be addressed in a manner that is respectful to both them and the league. I think standardization of this process will take alot of the human element out of the equation, minimizing acute reaction, and groupthink. If we can address issues or sources of confusion during the offseason, hopefully we can lay the foundation for a smoother and more enjoyable league.

    As much as I would like to start that disussion, we need to address the elephant in the room: league membership. We should discuss the current condition, expectations of yourself and other league members. Then, lets start the discussion on how people think rules should be evaluated when people have an issue. I think its OK to start offering issues/ make proposals, but I dont think they should be evaluated until we standardize a system and address the league membership.

    My two cents are as follows: league membership starts with expectations. I think we could use some standardized expectations because I believe we all share them. Number one, check your lineup on sunday morning. Life happens, expectations will not always be met, and that's OK. In the last quarter of the regular season, the issue of tanking will be brought up as inevitably life happens. I would never accuse anyone of tanking but I dont think it hurts to have some incentives for late season activity. In regards to our currently absent league member(s), I would like more than just a public vow to recommit. I apologize for asking someone to do something I dont want to do but it would be awesome if someone could have a heart to heart with our absent league member(s), and figure out some way to fix this.

    In regards to the system for rules changes, I think any rule change during the season needs to be either commisioner forced or unanimously voted upon. I think the commissioner needs the option to correct any problems that are at the core of the league, but only in the extremist of cases. Otherwise, any change midstream deserves the attention and approval of all league members. Changes during the offseason should be OK with a league majority. If the league as whole has the feeling that they dont want to discuss all the rule proposals, there should be a hearing by a rules committee that would establish legitimacy of the proposals for overall league approval and majority vote. This could streamline the process if we find that alot of the issues are only disputed amongst a minority of the league.
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    Addendum:

    Pho, I know you pointed out the need to discuss these things in the future, I just wanted to clarify and voice my opinion while I still have the attention of the entire league. Issues of replacement are much better addressed early rather than later as I have found out the hard way in my other leagues.

    Drop, hopefully this plan works out with how you envisioned the offseason, this is just what I would like to see.
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    CCFF, congrats. You finally brought a trophy to what has been the best division in the league for some years running.

    I also agree that midseason changes need to be made only in the rarest of circumstances. Heck, I remember in our initial draft we made some rule changes on the fly that wound up changing how people drafted. That shouldn't happen in any part of the season; the offseason is the correct venue for these types of changes.

    As for how that goes down, I think we definitely need to establish a priority of what issues are most concerning, and bust them out in order. If we have too many issues, everyone will just get alert fatigue. If we bust through the most pressing issues quickly enough (I believe we have set in place that a 66% vote is required for an offseason rule change; we might want to have a rule in place that states that a 100% vote is required for in-season rule changes), I think we can get to minor changes that ultimately just make the league run smoother.

    I think the first issue we should start off with is tanking, since that and league participation kind of came up simultaneously. The latter issue is something I'll keep my nose out of for now, as I personally have a higher tolerance for a low post count in this thread as long as the member is consistent with setting lineups and active on the waiver wire.

    I will put out that Kur needs to be more active in this thread. I know that he has done a **** ton for this league, but it is difficult to be sympathetic to his situation when I don't know what that situation is. If it's personal, so be it, and I'll move on. I don't need to know why someone isn't posting, but I believe it has hurt the league in the past that someone with a ton of knowledge of the rules as well as power (acting commish, co-commish, whatever) is completely absent from rules discussions. We shouldn't need Drop to be a surrogate Kur in order to communicate with him.

    Well ****, so much for keeping my nose out of that issue.
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    CMill, I'm sorry for everything

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    Round 1

    1. Forehead
    2. Fancy
    3. GO
    4. 28
    5. Kur
    6. Conn
    7. GO
    8. Fancy
    9. CCFF
    10. Trizz
    11. CCFF
    12. Cmill

    Round 2

    1. Forehead
    2. Fancy
    3. Trizz
    4. Fancy
    5. Kur
    6. Fancy
    7. GO
    8. Forehead
    9. Forehead
    10. Drop
    11. GO
    12. Cmill

    Round 3

    1. Forehead
    2. Trizz
    3. Forehead
    4. B & G
    5. Kur
    6. Fancy
    7. Conn
    8. CCFF
    9. Trizz
    10. Trizz
    11. CCFF
    12. Cmill

    Round 4.

    1. Drop
    2. Fancy
    3. Drop
    4. Drop
    5. Kur
    6. B&G
    7. GO
    8. Drop
    9. GO
    10. Trizz
    11. CCFF
    12. Cmill

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    Good dialogue on some offseason issues.

    1) Tanking. Do we care as a league? I know Fancy said it wasn't a big deal to him. Some of us however tend to disagree seeing as it can have a negative effect on teams fighting for the playoffs, league participation, and league integrity. If we care, as I do, then we need some ideas. We need some incentives to continue playing hard through the entire season even if you're out of it. I'm not sure changing the draft implications is the best way to go about it. I think whoever finishes worst in the regular season SHOULD get the #1 pick, but we have to deter the idea of playing for the best draft pick if you're that far out of it. Because simply put, even though it's good for whoever is in that position, it can have a negative affect on teams around you.

    2) Participation and activeness. What do we expect? Consistently setting lineups is a must, and no one seems to have a problem doing that. Activity on the waiver wire, again doesn't seem to be a REAL problem, but I think everyone expects this to a degree. No one is saying go out and claim people for the hell of it, but when you have a gaping hole on your team that could be shored up through the waiver wire to some extent, I think we all expect to see other teams make appropriate decisions. Activity on the message board. How often do we need to be around? When it comes time to discuss issues and rule changes, everyone needs to voice their opinion without having to be asked or hunted down. Other than that, I think chiming in at least once a week shouldn't be so hard. If you're away or having problems, it's understandable. TDR for example, always does a good job letting us know when he's going to be out of town. So just give us a heads up. I understand things happen in life sometimes that are beyond our control, but it's obvious that a commisioner can't be non-existant around here. So I propose now that everyone who hasn't so far, at least let us know what your expectations for participation and league activity are, and once we have a standard set of ideas, we need to address who wants to abide by those, and continue being a member of this league.

    3) In season rule changes. I agree with CCFF that in season changes should be through a unanimous vote. Our majority vote for offseason activity is fine, but it we have something so pressing that has to be changed in the middle of a season, it should probably be by unanimous vote....that makes sense.

    4) 28, CMILL doesn't wanna be your friend. Now tell us where you stand on all this!

    5) As far as free agency goes, we open free agency after our rookie draft, which we typically hold right after the real NFL draft. As CCFF pointed out, we usually open Free Agency in the summer around July. Should we set a specific date for this? Would that make people more involved, and get a lil summertime Fantasy Football chatter going knowing exactly when to be around for Free Agency?


    And GO, thank you as always for posting the draft order. I was chomping at the bit last season to keep drafting after the 3rd round. I love having 3 of the top 4 picks in our new 4th round this coming season.
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    And while i'm thinking about it, i'm pretty sure this is what we passed before the season started as it pertained to the champ and division champs getting to name the divisions and rename the last place teams.


    Quote Originally Posted by Drop View Post

    1) The league winner gets to rename all three last place teams.

    2) Each division winner gets to rename their respective division.

    3) I like Matt's idea to get Soup or LCSF to do sigs for us, and a championship one for the league winner.

    So I suppose that means that CCFF gets to rename my team, TDR's team, and Pho's team, and the division winners (28, CMILL, and Trizz) get to name their divisions. And also, I suppose someone should get in touch with Soup and see if he can do a sig for CCFF.
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    Guess I'll go ahead and call out Kur. Like TDR, I'm unaware of his situation but gaping holes on his team and his 9 extremeskins posts since May don't sit right with me. He also hasn't logged into ES since late Nov. Nothing personal, I like Kur and enjoyed when he was active in this league/forum. .... Thats why i apologized to Cmill. That guy gets so much unesscary ****. Sure him and TDR probably have gross gay sex but I'm willing to look past that.

    As far as tanking? What the hell do i know about that. Won my division all 4 years. I guess we should go by regular season record

    Rule changes? Just ****ing list everything anyone has every cared to change/discuss and we can vote on it

    draft/fa: It would be AWESOME if a handful of us could meet up around that time to draft...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drop View Post
    Good dialogue on some offseason issues.

    1) Tanking. Do we care as a league? I know Fancy said it wasn't a big deal to him. Some of us however tend to disagree seeing as it can have a negative effect on teams fighting for the playoffs, league participation, and league integrity. If we care, as I do, then we need some ideas. We need some incentives to continue playing hard through the entire season even if you're out of it. I'm not sure changing the draft implications is the best way to go about it. I think whoever finishes worst in the regular season SHOULD get the #1 pick, but we have to deter the idea of playing for the best draft pick if you're that far out of it. Because simply put, even though it's good for whoever is in that position, it can have a negative affect on teams around you.
    While I don't think anyone was intentionally tanking this season, I do think we should at least address the possibility of it happening in the future and nip it in the bud before it becomes a problem. Tanking typically won't take place until the end of the season which means it may not affect everyone but it will affect divisional play. In many cases it could end up determining who makes the playoffs and who doesn't. As far as policing it, I admit it will be tough. Like this year we had Pho leave in an injured Josh Freeman. Was it an honest mistake? Judging by his explanation afterwards, yes I'd say it was. But at first glance it looks like "oh well Pho doesn't give a **** about his team anymore, he's not even checking his lineup". So who becomes judge and jury on determining what excuses are acceptable and what is considered tanking? I mean if someone benches a Drew Brees for John Beck, yeah that's kind of obvious. But there will definitely be some gray areas and I'm not sure how we work around that. As far as the punishment, I think we need to dock draft picks. Something like a 2nd round pick on the first offense and a first rounder for any subsequent offenses. Might seem a bit steep but it will sure be a good deterrent.

    2) Participation and activeness. What do we expect? Consistently setting lineups is a must, and no one seems to have a problem doing that. Activity on the waiver wire, again doesn't seem to be a REAL problem, but I think everyone expects this to a degree. No one is saying go out and claim people for the hell of it, but when you have a gaping hole on your team that could be shored up through the waiver wire to some extent, I think we all expect to see other teams make appropriate decisions. Activity on the message board. How often do we need to be around? When it comes time to discuss issues and rule changes, everyone needs to voice their opinion without having to be asked or hunted down. Other than that, I think chiming in at least once a week shouldn't be so hard. If you're away or having problems, it's understandable. TDR for example, always does a good job letting us know when he's going to be out of town. So just give us a heads up. I understand things happen in life sometimes that are beyond our control, but it's obvious that a commisioner can't be non-existant around here. So I propose now that everyone who hasn't so far, at least let us know what your expectations for participation and league activity are, and once we have a standard set of ideas, we need to address who wants to abide by those, and continue being a member of this league.
    Setting a full and competitive lineup every week is a no brainer. But I don't think we should condemn owners for not trading enough or making enough waiver claims. To me, that's all up to the owner's management style. For example, I suffered major injuries with Charles and Fred Jackson this year. But I didn't feel the need to make a trade because I had faith in the rest of my roster. In the end, I still made it to the finals and nearly won. So to me, we shouldn't tell other owners how to manage their transactions or lack thereof. The fantasy world has Mike Browns too.

    As far as posting, to be honest I really don't care how often members post in this thread. I'll admit I don't post alot but I check this thread pretty much every day during the season and at least once or twice a week in the offseason. I think everyone should have to at least chime in on rules discussion but we should make an effort to get all of the rule changes done in a timely fashion. I mean we do have lives outside of fantasy football (well, most of us...I think).


    3) In season rule changes. I agree with CCFF that in season changes should be through a unanimous vote. Our majority vote for offseason activity is fine, but it we have something so pressing that has to be changed in the middle of a season, it should probably be by unanimous vote....that makes sense.
    I agree with this. If something is so glaring that it needs an in-season change, it will probably be guaranteed of a unanimous vote anyway. Off season rule changes should stay with the majority.

    4) 28, CMILL doesn't wanna be your friend. Now tell us where you stand on all this!
    My guess is he will bang his mom.

    5) As far as free agency goes, we open free agency after our rookie draft, which we typically hold right after the real NFL draft. As CCFF pointed out, we usually open Free Agency in the summer around July. Should we set a specific date for this? Would that make people more involved, and get a lil summertime Fantasy Football chatter going knowing exactly when to be around for Free Agency?
    Why not set it to open the same day as NFL camps open? I know it's late in July but the excitement would be ramping up and might drum up more interest? Just a suggestion.

    And GO, thank you as always for posting the draft order. I was chomping at the bit last season to keep drafting after the 3rd round. I love having 3 of the top 4 picks in our new 4th round this coming season.
    Yes, good work GO
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    Trizz, I don't mind people don't posting but I feel like you need to read the posts in this thread (not counting CCFF's)

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    Quote Originally Posted by twenty-eight View Post
    CMill, I'm sorry for everything
    Friends?
    Of course. Anyone who seems to dislike TDR as much as you do is all good in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by twenty-eight View Post
    Guess I'll go ahead and call out Kur. Like TDR, I'm unaware of his situation but gaping holes on his team and his 9 extremeskins posts since May don't sit right with me. He also hasn't logged into ES since late Nov. Nothing personal, I like Kur and enjoyed when he was active in this league/forum. .... Thats why i apologized to Cmill. That guy gets so much unesscary ****. Sure him and TDR probably have gross gay sex but I'm willing to look past that.

    As far as tanking? What the hell do i know about that. Won my division all 4 years. I guess we should go by regular season record

    Rule changes? Just ****ing list everything anyone has every cared to change/discuss and we can vote on it

    draft/fa: It would be AWESOME if a handful of us could meet up around that time to draft...

    Happy, drop?
    As far as rule changes go, I think it might make the most sense to come up with a potential list on here over the next couple months, and then find a time where we could all (or most) meet up to discuss and vote in person. Maybe we could do that at the same time as the draft (ie have a live draft), it's much more fun that way.

    And as for the name of our division, I would like to change it to "TDR's mom."

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    1) I can see where tanking can be a problem, but I feel like its so tough to prove. Like trizz said, unless you're benching Brees for Beck, how do we know? Too many variables there. And I'm not one to accuse people on here of lying because we all have lives and other things to do throughout the week and even on Sundays.

    2) I don't see why people can't be around when we go over rule changes and such. Why don't we set a date for rule changes that way people know when they need to be around? That would make getting full participation easier IMO. As far as trades, waiver claims, etc. hard to tell if someone isn't active because of it. In one of my fantasy leagues I made 10 roster moves all year and won, so roster moves don't always mean anything. I think chiming in here every once in awhile isn't too much to expect, even if you just drop by and post this:



    3) Agree about the rule changes, but I think we should limit in season rule changes as much as possible, unless its something really important.

    4) No one cares about twenty-eight

    5) I like the idea of FA opening up at the start of training camps. That's when we all really start paying attention to football again anyway. I think we should do the draft like a week or so after the actual draft, since again, that's when we'll be paying more attention to football and it's better to do it before people start going on vacation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMILL1000 View Post
    And as for the name of our division, I would like to change it to "TDR's mom."
    lol, done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drop View Post
    And while i'm thinking about it, i'm pretty sure this is what we passed before the season started as it pertained to the champ and division champs getting to name the divisions and rename the last place teams.

    So I suppose that means that CCFF gets to rename my team, TDR's team, and Pho's team, and the division winners (28, CMILL, and Trizz) get to name their divisions. And also, I suppose someone should get in touch with Soup and see if he can do a sig for CCFF.
    I thought it was just the last place team overall that had to take a name change, which would mean it's just me....who has to put up with CCFF having something over me. Are we also doing the icon change as well? As much as I enjoy Val Venis, it might not make as much sense depending on what CCFF comes up with.

    I'm also very much against tanking, which is saying something considering I've come in last the past couple years while I rebuild. I still fight, even if the gun only has a few bullets.

    We need to address the draft order issue for future reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattFancy View Post
    4) No one cares about twenty-eight
    but TDR's mom said I was her favorite =/

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