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[Drop]

I gotta agree with Conn here. It's kind of inexcusable to pick up Orlovsky and not start him over Freeman. If it even looks like Freeman might not play, you have the guy who you know WILL start, in your lineup, ready to go. Then, if the questionable guy ends up playing, you can put him in. But to leave the guy in who's questionable, only to figure, "well i'll take him out if he doesn't play", but then actually LEAVE him in there....not cool.

I don't know if I agree that there's some action we can take in this instance though. We have nothing in the rules about it, so I think it's something we need to look at correcting. Conn is right, there needs to be something done to discourage tanking and to prevent all these holes in lineups that have happened this season. Not playing a QB because it can only help you, or not playing a RB when there are plenty of guys who could be picked up on the waiver wire who AT LEAST have the possibility to get you a point or two is kind of ridiculous.

And further more, being that we're on our 4th season, this may be as good an offseason as any to evaluate everyone's participation level and begin figuring out who is really interested in this league and who isn't. There's been half a league's worth of bare mininmum participation this season, and some of us have noticed it and talked to each other about it already. Might be time to figure out what direction to go with this league fellas.

[the burgundy and gold]

Pho man you are killing me by leaving Freeman in against B&G. Now I will appreciate it if you do not start a QB against me next week so I can rightfully assume my spot as division champ once again.

Don't worry my team played so poorly that Pho will still get the W and basically eliminate me even without a QB.

[ConnSKINS26]

I gotta agree with Conn here. It's kind of inexcusable to pick up Orlovsky and not start him over Freeman. If it even looks like Freeman might not play, you have the guy who you know WILL start, in your lineup, ready to go. Then, if the questionable guy ends up playing, you can put him in. But to leave the guy in who's questionable, only to figure, "well i'll take him out if he doesn't play", but then actually LEAVE him in there....not cool.

I don't know if I agree that there's some action we can take in this instance though. We have nothing in the rules about it, so I think it's something we need to look at correcting. Conn is right, there needs to be something done to discourage tanking and to prevent all these holes in lineups that have happened this season. Not playing a QB because it can only help you, or not playing a RB when there are plenty of guys who could be picked up on the waiver wire who AT LEAST have the possibility to get you a point or two is kind of ridiculous.

And further more, being that we're on our 4th season, this may be as good an offseason as any to evaluate everyone's participation level and begin figuring out who is really interested in this league and who isn't. There's been half a league's worth of bare mininmum participation this season, and some of us have noticed it and talked to each other about it already. Might be time to figure out what direction to go with this league fellas.

If there's nothing in the rules, then there needs to be. Everybody gets a mulligan here and there for an honest mistake, although lineup snafu's like kur's a couple weeks ago are particularly frustrating.

But being 3-9 with the worst team in the league, and starting an injured player with a perfectly reasonable alternate rostered, when a loss CLEARLY at this point can only be a good thing for your team, because all you're "playing" for is better draft position...that's the definition of tanking when its week 13, whether its accidental or not. That can't be rewarded, especially in the future. I'm not trying to call you out here Forehead, and in fact I might not have even noticed had it not been brought up. But its a problem.

In fact, its why I advocated last year for a Toilet Bowl type of consolation bracket where the winner actually gets the #1 overall pick. It keeps everyone interested because once winning no longer gets you into the playoffs, and you're in the bottom half of the league starting week 14...it can instead get you a higher draft pick, rather than losing giving you a higher draft pick. The way we have it now just encourages mistakes like this, because there's no benefit to trying your hardest and playing the absolute best lineup. You just have to check out for the season and coast, and its actually BETTER for your team in the long run. That's how you get lineup ****ups like Forehead's here, at a critical time of year.

But that's a discussion for another time, and something that no one ever seems to really like.

As to your last paragraph...as Jumbo would say today...B2A.

[GOSKN5]

I have to agree with Conn and Drop about all of this....

Seeing team/teams with open spots when there are capable players on waivers bugs me.... it bugs me during the season, toward the end, no matter when... I am not going to call out anyone, but several owners have done nothing to make their teams better... not trying to make trades, not even picking up players on waivers etc.....

some owners have not had a waiver claim in close to a month.... that is no problem if your team legitimately does not need or cannot improve through waivers... but that is not the case in a few instances...

bottom line, not setting lineups or filling in on bye weeks cant happen in this league IMO.... I agree with Drop that maybe we need to discuss/decide, who is really in this.... I also agree we should do something to keep everyone honest and competing at the end of the season...

I am out of the race this week, but I am still going to do what I can to beat 28 no matter what it does to my draft picks.... I might gamble a little more with a high risk/high reward type player, but I am sure not rolling over!!

---------- Post added December-5th-2011 at 08:23 PM ----------

O and Conn... what does B2A mean?? i missed that one....

---------- Post added December-5th-2011 at 08:29 PM ----------

I also want to add, that it is not about the record each year either.... some of the people who are less active and are not filling their lineups may have better records than my squad or others....

I do not think that is should be a free pass.... if anything it should show that if effort was given the team would be even better... IMO I have done all I can to get my team in the right direction, and I think it is heading that way.. through waivers, trades, etc...

[f_trizzy]

Don't worry my team played so poorly that Pho will still get the W and basically eliminate me even without a QB.

Well, you called that one!

[Drop]

Kur explained to me on facebook why he did what he did with his RB situation a couple weeks ago. Not sure that I agree with his philosophy when looking at his team and the moves he possibly could have made, but i'm not running Kur's team and i'm not telling him how to. It's just that a gaping hole like that should in some way be avoidable, especially when these kinds of things seem to happen later in the season when a team looks injury ravaged and possibly out of contention. That puts other teams at a disadvantage by giving up an easy win to your opponent.

And it just doesn't make sense to add a QB who is definitley going to start, to be a possible replacement for a questionable QB, and not at least plug him in over the guy who may not even play at all. Wether an honest error or not, we've got to prevent tanking. Pho probably did make an honest mistake. He's at least popped in and made comments about his confidence in the restructuring of his team. We just can't allow the "oh well if i lose it just makes my draft pick better" mentality when that too can directly affect teams and put them at a disadvantage.

Sure some guys get screwed with the "gametime" decision tag on a player every now and then, that's understandable. But to willingIy not make an effort to fill a hole seems a bit unreasonable. And every team in this league should be expected to finish out the season and continue trying to win every game until the playoffs arive. We start and finish with division rivalries every season in this league, so where's the chatter? Some of our members don't even pop in to the message board at all, and others are extremely few and far between.

I noticed last week that CCFF would wrap up the wild card with a win and eliminate a whole slew of teams by doing so. And with B&G and Matt both losing, Trizz wrapped up his division. Yet we have no one talking about anything. Nothing about Triamcinolone having the best record at 9 - 4, despite seemingly never making trades and rarely visiting the waiver wire. Nothing about the playoff spots being wrapped up a week before the end of the regular season. Nothing about the trade deadline. Nothing about the East division basically swapping rosters in some way shape or form in the last few weeks before the deadline, and 28 winning it for a 4th straight season.

---------- Post added December-6th-2011 at 08:07 AM ----------

and just curious, would anyone else be interested in adding two more wildcard teams to the playoff format for next year, or is everyone happy with 4 spots as it has been?

[CMILL1000]

He could still win if Mathews has a big game, but the minimum ****ing effort you have to put forth in this league is setting your lineups correctly each week. There are way too many ineligible players being started.
I honestly think that since Pho's team is the worst in the league and he's obviously semi-checked out, this should be considered blatant tanking for a top draft pick, and he should be "punished" with a win, if he doesn't pull one out anyways. Or something. We need to do something to discourage checking out at the end of the year to "accidentally" continue tanking. I don't care what Pho's excuse is, and I'm sure there's a pretty good one, this loss helps his team in the long run because once again he'll have a top draft pick. Its inexcusable.

Well the Colts are clearly tanking to get Luck and no one seems to care. So the NFL obviously doesnt having any rules against tanking, but I agree that we should. I like the suggestion about having a losers bracket of the playoffs to determine draft pick order, I think this would be an easy and good solution to the problem.

I noticed last week that CCFF would wrap up the wild card with a win and eliminate a whole slew of teams by doing so. And with B&G and Matt both losing, Trizz wrapped up his division. Yet we have no one talking about anything. Nothing about Triamcinolone having the best record at 9 - 4, despite seemingly never making trades and rarely visiting the waiver wire. Nothing about the playoff spots being wrapped up a week before the end of the regular season. Nothing about the trade deadline. Nothing about the East division basically swapping rosters in some way shape or form in the last few weeks before the deadline, and 28 winning it for a 4th straight season.

Everyone always seems to mention my lack of trading. I'm not opposed to it, just haven't really had the need to yet. I think I've done very well between the waiver wire and the draft, picking up the Ravens D, Mike Tolbert, Victor Cruz, and Cam Newton among others. And given my record, I must be doing something right...

[MattFancy]

I'd be ok with adding in 2 more playoff spots

[the burgundy and gold]

Well, you called that one!

Ugh unfortunately so. My team just choked down the stretch, very frustrating. Congrats on winning the division.

It's crazy how 6 teams are 6-7 right now, what a competitive year!

[twenty-eight]

I'd be ok with adding in 2 more playoff spots

Cool with me.


Not sure how I feel about a losers bracket with the winner getting the #1 pick. I think the worst team should get the ebst pick...

---------- Post added December-6th-2011 at 11:43 AM ----------

Some of our members don't even pop in to the message board at all, and others are extremely few and far between.

I noticed last week that CCFF would wrap up the wild card with a win and eliminate a whole slew of teams by doing so. And with B&G and Matt both losing, Trizz wrapped up his division. Yet we have no one talking about anything. Nothing about Triamcinolone having the best record at 9 - 4, despite seemingly never making trades and rarely visiting the waiver wire. Nothing about the playoff spots being wrapped up a week before the end of the regular season. Nothing about the trade deadline. Nothing about the East division basically swapping rosters in some way shape or form in the last few weeks before the deadline, and 28 winning it for a 4th straight season.

I'm always trying to stir the pot...even it it makes me look foolish.

[MattFancy]

I don't think I like the idea of a loser's playoff for the #1 pick. I think the worst team should get the #1 pick.

[Drop]

I agree, the consilation bracket should stay as such, that shouldn't be the way we enforce not tanking down the stretch. And if more people like the idea of expanding the playoffs to 6 teams, that's something I think we should vote on.

[twenty-eight]

I agree, the consilation bracket should stay as such, that shouldn't be the way we enforce not tanking down the stretch. And if more people like the idea of expanding the playoffs to 6 teams, that's something I think we should vote on.

That will probably get passed. We probably have to go to more a traditional schedule. Regular season ending Week 13. Championship week 16

[the burgundy and gold]

Cool with me.


Not sure how I feel about a losers bracket with the winner getting the #1 pick. I think the worst team should get the ebst pick...[COLOR="Gold"]

I agree, I think the worst record should get #1 pick.

That will probably get passed. We probably have to go to more a traditional schedule. Regular season ending Week 13. Championship week 16

I'm down with adding 2 more playoff teams but we'll obviously have to change the schedule a bit. The format 28 suggested above seems to be the most logical.

[twenty-eight]

Haha. I don't know if I want to mess the with week 17 luck that has won me 2 championships


And where the hell has CCFF been? All that guy is does is cuddle with his blind cat...(and yes tdr, it's a male cat)