ExtremeSkins FF Dynasty League

[Forehead]

Not sure, will have to check when I get home. I've had an odd run recently where players I originally owned and traded away are being offered back to me in trades.

[ConnSKINS26]

Yeah, I've only got one or two players left from King's old team, so that's like a two-year time period. Less, actually.

[Drop]

What's next on the docket?

[Drop]

Insight needed fellas....Fred Davis is worth more than Gresham and the 2.8 right? In another league a dude is offering Gresham and the 2.8 for Davis and the 4.7. I don't think that's good enough value for Freddy right now. He also has the 1.10....what if I offer him Freddy, and the 4.7 for Gresham and the 1.10. That seems like better value imo...but still maybe not enough?

[MattFancy]

I dunno. I think Gresham is at worst equal to Fred. Plus, Fred is one failed drug test away from sitting a year plus we still have Cooley. Gresham has a young QB in Dalton and a great WR in Green to take away some of the attention.

[Drop]

As talented as Gresham is, he's not Fred's equal. If Gresham is at worst Fred's equal...what do you see him as at his best? Better than Davis?? I can't buy into that. Freddy has a chance to be a top 5 TE this season, and for the forseeable future. Do you think Gresham has that ceiling? Maybe he does, but i don't see Gresham ever being more than top 8, if he gets there. I love Gresham, but he's not worth what Fred is in my opinion. The guy offering me the deal tried telling me that he saw Winslow and Davis as comparable. I laughed at him. Gresham is FAR more comparable to Fred than Winslow, but i still don't think they're close production wise.

This is why I think Gresham, (a slight downgrade from Fred), plus the 1.10, which could net me a nice RB or WR...or a complete bust at that spot, is equal to Fred in value. Fred's biggest knock is the drug thing. But i think he'll keep himself straight. If he does, and he stays healthy, does anyone really think Gresham or Winslow is going to put up close to his numbers??

Matt, when it's all said and done, would you take Gresham and 2.8 for Fred and 4.7??? Twenty eight, what do you think man? B&G you're here...what do you think??

And Shaun, i see what you meant about the lowball offers on Freddy in the IDL.....yeesh.

[ConnSKINS26]

Yeah man, that's why I moved him to you for what I did. I think the only way you're getting correct value when you move him is if you target a talented, but less proven TE that you personally like more, and whatever picks you can get.

That's why I moved him to you for Rudolph and 2nd round picks. I knew I could move Finley and F. Davis to improve the rest of my roster, then cheaply scoop up Witten, with Rudolph in the wings for a couple years from now. So while some may think the move from Finley/Davis to Witten/Rudolph was lateral at best, I used the pieces I picked up in the transition to improve elsewhere, mainly at RB. Davis is so undervalued in most leagues that that's the best way I could get value.

As to Gresham...if I wasn't ready to compete now, I'd rather have Gresham and the 2nd rounder, but thats just me. Physically, there aren't too many young TE's that compare to him. But I could see you valuing Davis too highly to make that move.

[MattFancy]

I'd rather have Gresham and a 2nd than Davis and a 4th

[Drop]

Wow really?? Maybe I should reconsider and take the deal. You guys make good points.

[MattFancy]

Wow really?? Maybe I should reconsider and take the deal. You guys make good points.

I think Gresham and Davis both have a bunch of potential. So if they are equal, I'd take 2.8 over 4.7

[RiggosMohawk]

Drop is this a TD heavy league? IIRC last season Gresham got a ton of RZ looks. I don't see any reason why that would change going forward even with AJ around. Freddy might continue to top him in receps and yards, but under certain scoring that amounts to nothing if JG piles on the TDs.

[ConnSKINS26]

Nice deal drop, glad for your team that you took it, honestly. Plus, it gets us out of that messy conditional trade, that was then not allowed, etc. Now you don't have to worry about it, and neither do I.

[twenty-eight]

Yeah scoring? PPR? ...

I like Gresham...WR in a TE's body...like Fred Davis. I do think Davis is better...and I would probably try and get more.

Maybe try to sell him on the fact that we'll upgrade at QB = better numbers for Sleepy. And taht he's probably going to get franchised..

I'd rather have Davis but the drug thing worries me. Stick with Davis if you wanna roll the dice/play for upside...


So Sleepy was targeted 87 times and had 59 catches in 12 games
92 targets for Gresham and 61 catches in 15 games

I expect both players to imrpove...

[ConnSKINS26]

He made the deal already. I think, looking at his roster in that league, that was the right move to make. Get another 2nd rounder and wait on Gresham's massive upside, rather than sticking with Davis. I like it, and I think its the right play in that league.

So overall, through two trades this offseason involving Davis (meaning he cancels out, for all intents and purposes), Drop traded:

Gave:
Kyle Rudolph
2.5
2.11
4.7

Got:
Gresham
2.8

As long as you like Gresham more than Rudolph, I'd say that's pretty fair.

[MattFancy]

That's kinda like me with the #1 pick here. I traded 1.1 for Brandon Lloyd, Chris Johnson, and 1.4. I'll take that.