Who else runs the west coast offense?

[redskinnyskinskin]

Hi guys,
I'm new to the board. I think its great here. Found out alot of good info. But now my question.

Since we just hired Zorn and will apparently be moving to the west coast offense I wanted to know who else runs it?
And is it really that great of an offense? Why do people love it so much?

I know its pretty popular because I've been hearing about it for years. To me it sounds like the everybody is doing it offense. Which is boring to me.

I know Seattle and I assume Green Bay since Holmdren was there back in the day. I think Atlanta did with Vick and he sucked at it.

Any info on this new offense would be good to know.

[70CHIP!]

Philly runs a variation of wco. holmgren and Andy Reid used to coach together.
So does tampa i think.

[Siven]

Seattle
Washington
Green Bay
Tampa Bay
Philadelphia


All I can think of right now.

[suze109]

Seattle
Washington
Green Bay
Tampa Bay
Philadelphia


All I can think of right now.

No AFC teams, huh? Interesting ...

[CGSKINS]

What do the Pats run?

[abu69]

What do the Pats run?

The Tom Brady offense.

[Darth Tater]

No AFC teams, huh? Interesting ...

Denver is the only AFC team I can think of.

[clskinsfan]

isnt houston running a variation of it?

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

Actually no one really runs a true Bill Walsh West Coast Offense but there are many variations; Seattle being the closest.

[skinzzfan25]

Buffalo probably does.

Jauron branched off of that 92 packers team.

[Capt Rich Fla]

The Tom Brady offense.

Yeah, He's got a brain that is out of this world. You need to seee the play as it happens and calculate who's open in 2.3 seconds or you have an INT or a sack. I just am not sure that Jason can do that. He wants to be a pocket passer. When the pocket is always failing at one point or the other you end up with BRUNELL.

[bertoskins]

the pats run a modified WCO.

[ibarramedia]

I'm reposting this from another thread....



New England Patriots Strategy

Erhardt - Perkins Offensive System

The New England Patriots run a modified Ron Erhardt - Ray Perkins offensive system installed by Charlie Weis under Bill Belichick. Both Ron Erhardt and Ray Perkins served as offensive assistant coaches under the defensive minded Chuck Fairbanks while he was head coach of the Patriots in the 1970s. This system is noted for its multiple formation and personnel grouping variations on a core number of base plays. Under this system, each formation and each play are separately numbered. Additional word descriptions further modify each play (see below for examples).

As a function of their current available personnel, the Patriots often run this system from a base two tight end set formation, utilizing two tight ends, two wide receivers and one running back.

Running Game

The Erhardt - Perkins system has at times had a reputation (whether or not earned) of being a traditional smash mouth offense that maximizes a team's time of possession and does not as frequently call upon its running backs to serve as receivers. This may have been especially true during the years Bill Parcells ran this system as the head coach of the New York Giants.

An example of a running play under this system is Zero, Ride Thirty-six. Zero sets the formation. Thirty indicates who will be the ball carrier running with the ball. Six indicates which hole between the offensive linemen the ball carrier will attempt to run through (see Offensive Nomenclature). The Patriots currently generally run man blocking, not zone blocking schemes in their running game.

Passing Game

This offense often uses "the run to set up the pass" via play-action passing, faking the run in order to throw deep downfield when the defense is least expecting it. Despite its reputation, this system is not always a run first offense. Erhardt commonly ran the system in his later years spread wide open with multiple receivers (earning the moniker "Air Erhardt"), as NFL rules evolved to benefit the passing game. As a result of this influence, the Patriots will frequently run this offense with five potential receivers and an empty backfield should a favorable matchup present itself.

Charlie Weis states in his autobiography "No Excuses" that the first play that he called in Super Bowl XXXVI was: Zero Flood Slot Hat, Seventy-eight Shout Tosser. Zero is the base formation. Flood Slot Hat further modifies this formation to a set with one back in motion, two tight ends and two wide receivers (which is to say five potential receivers in total). Seventy-eight is the base play number, a three step drop play. Shout tells the three potential receivers on one side of the quarterback what routes they should run, while Tosser tells the other two potential receivers their patterns. During the actual game, Tom Brady threw the ball to Troy Brown for a twenty-one yard gain, seventeen of it after the catch.

Other Teams Running Similar Offensive Systems

Bill Parcells ran the Erhardt - Perkins offensive system during his pro coaching years, which is where Charlie Weis originally learned it. Many teams coached by members of the Parcells - Belichick coaching tree currently use this system, such as the New York Giants under Tom Coughlin and Notre Dame under Charlie Weis. The Pittsburgh Steelers also continued to run this system during the Bill Cowher years, from when Ron Erhardt was their offensive coordinator, and it is believed that Ken Whisenhunt will bring this system to the Arizona Cardinals as their new head coach. Moreover, it is believed that Georgia Tech runs this system under Chan Gailey.

Comparison to Other Offensive Systems (West Coast and Air Coryell Offenses)

There are only approximately five or six major offensive systems run in the NFL today.
The structure of the Erhardt - Perkins system is very different from the Bill Walsh west coast offense. Formations under the west coast offense are commonly named after colors (i.e., Black 59 Razor). The west coast offense commonly utilizes short slanting passes and running backs as receivers. It prefers to have mobile quarterbacks (since its running backs may not be available to block) and large receivers who are able to gain additional yards after the catch. This is one of the reasons that there is some doubt as to whether Deion Branch (a 5 foot 9 receiver) will be as successful in Seattle as he was in New England.

The structure of the Erhardt - Perkins system is also very different from the Ernie Zampese - Don Coryell "Air Coryell" timed system. Route patterns of the receivers are numbered instead of named in the Air Coryell system (thereby making memorization easier.) For example, a Air Coryell play such as 924 F stop swing indicates that the primary wide receiver (X) should run a 9 pattern (a go), the tight end (Y) should run a 2 pattern (a slant), the secondary wide receiver (Z) should run a 4 pattern (a deep in) and the F-back should go out for a swing pass (see Offensive Nomenclature). Timing and precision are extremely important under the Air Coryell system, as the routes are intended to run like successive clockwork in order to be successful

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Here is the thread ibarrmedia is talking about.

Many offensive systems and talk are covered over there.

[redskinnyskinskin]

Seattle
Washington
Green Bay
Tampa Bay
Philadelphia


All I can think of right now.

Hmmm 3 of those were playoff teams.....
I hope JC or whoever our QB is picks it up quick.