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    Default Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    Here me out before judging please.

    When we drafted USC's Fred Davis with our 2nd round pick it seemed very odd to the football world and to most of the faithful here. Why would the Skins draft a TE when we have Cooley and have so many other needs to address?

    The excuses given to us was that he was the highest rated player availible when we were picking so the powers that be went with the board. History tells us this was a huge risk however.

    A look at the current USC players in the NFL today that play the offensive skill positions:


    William Buchanon, WR - Oakland Raiders
    Reggie Bush, RB - New Orleans Saints
    Dominique Byrd, TE - St. Louis Rams
    Matt Cassel, QB - New England Patriots
    Keary Colbert, WR - Denver Broncos
    Kori Dickerson, TE - Detroit Lions
    Justin Fargas, RB - Oakland Raiders
    Gregg Guenther, TE - Tennessee Titans
    Alex Holmes, TE - St. Louis Rams
    Dwayne Jarrett, WR - Carolina Panthers
    David Kirtman, RB - Seattle Seahawks
    Matt Leinart, QB - Arizona Cardinals
    Chris McFoy, WR - Oakland Raiders
    Billy Miller, TE - New Orleans Saints
    Chad Morton, RB - New York Giants
    Carson Palmer, QB - Cincinnati Bengals
    Steve Smith, WR - New York Giants
    LenDale White, RB - Tennessee Titans
    Mike Williams, WR - Tennessee Titans


    Many of these players came into the league with high expectations but have yet to show why they were drafted where they were (Reggie Bush, Matt Lienart, Mike Williams). The only player on that list that has lived up to expectations in my opinion is Carson Palmer. Lots of disappointments there.

    Its also important to look how TE's have done in Seattle while coach Zorn was there. Since 2000 there has not been a TE on the Seahawks that has been to the probowl and this year Seattle looking at its needs saw TE as its greatest weakness on either side of the ball traded up into the second round to draft John Carlson (TE), while Fred Davis was still availible.

    I want to see how the kid plays before passing my official judgments on this pick but as of right now this looks like an extremely risky pick and if history repeats itself will not pan out for us and likely be seen as a bust. I hope Davis proves the league wrong and uses this as his motivation for playing better then anyone expected of him.

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    If Davis can open up the field to get Cooley more balls, than I will consider him a success.

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    Think about having two TE set in the huddle then breaking out with both in slots or tucked in line for a running play.

    It's a win win. Matchups my friend, matchups.

    You have to respect Davis more then a normal blocking TE.

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    Quote Originally Posted by GibbsFactor
    Think about having two TE set in the huddle then breaking out with both in slots or tucked in line for a running play.

    It's a win win. Matchups my friend, matchups.

    You have to respect Davis more then a normal blocking TE.
    I agree. In fact...he may land up being the steal of our draft and serve as great trade bait downstream.

    My concern is character. Been reading some worrisome things about Davis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fansince62
    I agree. In fact...he may land up being the steal of our draft and serve as great trade bait downstream.

    My concern is character. Been reading some worrisome things about Davis.


    I think Cooley can keep him calm in that regard.

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    i agree, i didnt think we needed a tight end so high

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    What was our problem....RED ZONE OFFENSE.

    What does this pick address...RED ZONE OFFENSE.

    Dont understand why we must look farther than that in whether or not this is a good pickup. Double Tight end in the redzone with Davis and Cooley is going to be lethal.
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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    I'll be honest and say I'd be happier if Calias Campbell was on the roster right now, but the idea of having this guy, Kelly, Cooley, and Thomas as red zone threats is mouth-watering.

    Besides, just imagine the play action we can pull off with two TE sets now.

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    I think where we will see dividends with this pick is in the Red Zone, where we have had a lot of problems scoring. The problem in the past is that just about everyone knew that Cooley was likely the target and that the other receivers were probably not going to be able to outjump a defender. Having another guy like Cooley is going to make things easier in a tight formation, both running the ball and passing the ball.

    I agree that it probably was a luxury pick to a certain extent, but I can see the benefits.

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    I don't think that we really needed him, but if he was the BPA then I'll give Vinny the benefit of the doubt. Apparently the closest comparison to an NFL pro was Cooley though, so if we really did get another TE that was like Cooley it would really cause some match up problems.

    I don't know if this draft class will pan out for us, but at first glance it really looks like we've added depth on offense and given Campbell a lot to work with.

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    Quote Originally Posted by moviedude25
    Here me out before judging please.

    When we drafted USC's Fred Davis with our 2nd round pick it seemed very odd to the football world and to most of the faithful here. Why would the Skins draft a TE when we have Cooley and have so many other needs to address?

    think about it like this

    if cooley got injured what would our offense do?we'd be ****ed?

    thankfully cooley has been healthy the since he's been here,but if we lost cooley for a season do you really expect Todd Yoder or Tyler Ecker to be even worth a fraction of Cooley?


    Davis was the BPA on their draft board and gives us a killer 2 TE set and goal line offense. teams always double and triple up on cooley in the redzone.our other TE's aren't good enough to take advantage of that, however,Davis is more than athletic enough to beat a safety or Lber in coverage.


    I pity the team that leaves a LB 1-1 with Fred Davis because they had to triple cover cooley in the endzone.When teams realize they can't take our new #2 TE lightly like they have been,cooley will have alot more breathing room.

    true we have other needs but when it comes to our red zone offense we just added a whole new dynamic to the game
    Last edited by chow184; April-28th-2008 at 02:53 PM.

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    Like most I was shocked we spent a second rounder on a TE but someone made a great point that our redzone offense needs major improvement. And now we have the weapons to get TD's on the board rather than field goals. 2 TE sets is going to create mismatches.

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    Justin Fargas did good last year being a back up.

    222 attempt 1009 yards 4 td (and he was a backup for the first 4 weeks?)
    probably would have had more TDs if his team didnt suck. And that 1 game Culpepper ran in 3 TDs instead of Fargas. + he got hurt also.

    Lendale White

    303 attempt 1110 yards 7 TD

    Shared time with Chris Brown.

    Who had 102 attempts with 462 yds 5 TD

    + his QB is Vince Young..

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    The thing that bothers me about the pick is that the difference between Davis and TE's taken in the 3rd-5th rounds is not that much IMO (recieving TE's who can get down the field and catch but cannot block well.), whereas the talent at DE took a severe drop after C. Campbell and Groves were taken in the 2nd.

    Drafting by BPA is nice, but sometimes you have to consider the differential in talent at the positions available later in the draft.

    I think it would have been better to grab the needed DE while you could, in the area where he was slotted to go, and grab a slightly less talented TE later in the draft.
    Last edited by Mercuryrising; April-28th-2008 at 02:53 PM.

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    Default Re: Drafting Davis looks very questionable

    I think TE was weak for us except for Cooley. I have been asking for a TE for 3 years. We need a 2 TE set that we can run and pass from. He will be better than Yoder.

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