Workout Thread II

[mattsb84]

You haven't given enough relevant information for anyone to really make an informed decision.

You didn't provide current age, height, or weight...and you said light activity level. You also didn't state how many calories you're eating and without the previous mentioned info, it wouldn't be possible to give an informed decision.

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/ and http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-ca...dict-equation/ will give you an approximation of what you should be eating.

If I had to answer your question on a whim..I'd say NO, that is not sustainable. Simply because you said you don't like it in the first sentence (or maybe you like the taste of vomit?), but also because it doesn't look like enough calories to me. The point of weight loss is not starvation. You're hardly eating any protein at all.Your body will start eating whatever lean mass you have and you'll end up skinny fat.

[No_Pressure]

You haven't given enough relevant information for anyone to really make an informed decision.

You didn't provide current age, height, or weight...and you said light activity level. You also didn't state how many calories you're eating and without the previous mentioned info, it wouldn't be possible to give an informed decision.

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/ and http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-ca...dict-equation/ will give you an approximation of what you should be eating.

If I had to answer your question on a whim..I'd say NO, that is not sustainable. Simply because you said you don't like it in the first sentence (or maybe you like the taste of vomit?), but also because it doesn't look like enough calories to me. The point of weight loss is not starvation. You're hardly eating any protein at all.Your body will start eating whatever lean mass you have and you'll end up skinny fat.

24, 6'2, 201 pounds. 2094.83 BMR

BMI is 25.8, which is in the overweight range, but as we all know is not indicative of fatness or health. I'm muscular, especially in my legs (when I used to play football I could squat 520 pounds, and I've kept up plenty of muscle from cycling) I'm not nearly as heavy as I used to be during football, but I've never been fat. I have been between 190 and 200 for a few years now.

I'm not sure what the caloric value of a jumbled up juice made from vegetables is, but it can't be very high. I have meat every night in the form of a large chicken breast or a slab of salmon, tilapia, etc. I'm not lifting weight like crazy, nor do I want to, and I don't exactly think I'm at risk of developing a protein deficiency. My exercise level is only low right now because it's 14 degrees out and I don't enjoy riding in the cold. When I do ride, I usually participate in three century rides (100 miles in a day) per year. I'm not ignorant of the fact that one needs plenty of calories to work out in that manner, but clearly I did not adjust my eating habits to fit my activity level this winter, and that's what I'm trying to do right now.

What exactly is the suggested protein level to ward off burning my own muscles? If all I need to do is eat more meat and a few more calories I'll just start increasing my intake. I'd give an estimate for caloric intake right now, but I'm finding it quite difficult to give a number to a banana, some pistachios, and a PBJ sandwich. Getting to 2,000 wouldn't be difficult, and if adding some extra calories (from healthy and varied meals of course) is all I need to do to make this something I could continue until cycling season appears, then I'll do it.

[mattsb84]

24, 6'2, 201 pounds. 2094.83 BMR

BMI is 25.8, which is in the overweight range, but as we all know is not indicative of fatness or health. I'm muscular, especially in my legs (when I used to play football I could squat 520 pounds, and I've kept up plenty of muscle from cycling) I'm not nearly as heavy as I used to be during football, but I've never been fat. I have been between 190 and 200 for a few years now.

I'm not sure what the caloric value of a jumbled up juice made from vegetables is, but it can't be very high. I have meat every night in the form of a large chicken breast or a slab of salmon, tilapia, etc. I'm not lifting weight like crazy, nor do I want to, and I don't exactly think I'm at risk of developing a protein deficiency. My exercise level is only low right now because it's 14 degrees out and I don't enjoy riding in the cold. When I do ride, I usually participate in three century rides (100 miles in a day) per year. I'm not ignorant of the fact that one needs plenty of calories to work out in that manner, but clearly I did not adjust my eating habits to fit my activity level this winter, and that's what I'm trying to do right now.

What exactly is the suggested protein level to ward off burning my own muscles? If all I need to do is eat more meat and a few more calories I'll just start increasing my intake. I'd give an estimate for caloric intake right now, but I'm finding it quite difficult to give a number to a banana, some pistachios, and a PBJ sandwich. Getting to 2,000 wouldn't be difficult, and if adding some extra calories (from healthy and varied meals of course) is all I need to do to make this something I could continue until cycling season appears, then I'll do it.

Are you familiar with google? It's an amazing thing really...You could google the caloric values of all the food you're eating and putting into your vomit drink. Keep a log, get a base line..adjust from that.

Standard protein intake is 1-1.5g per lb of lean body mass (not total weight) on a cut.

[No_Pressure]

Are you familiar with google? It's an amazing thing really...You could google the caloric values of all the food you're eating and putting into your vomit drink. Keep a log, get a base line..adjust from that.

Standard protein intake is 1-1.5g per lb of lean body mass (not total weight) on a cut.

Edit: It's not worth getting a break from the board for a week by leaving up what I had originally written here. There's no need to act like I'm some sort of idiot and sarcastically tell me to use google like some sort of imbecile (I also don't recall asking for your help on good ways to track how many calories I'm getting, but thanks for the "tip" anyway.). I was trying to put together the caloric value of what I was eating and it was difficult for a reason that you can see in the post in which I was quoted (where the responding poster managed to give me helpful information without being asinine and pretending he was smarter than me simply because I haven't done this before). I don't care for the tone of your posts and I no longer want any advice from you.

Are you familiar with being respectful and decent to other people who are asking questions and seeking the thoughtful input of others? I don't think you are.

[TheDoyler23]

I was trying to calculate about 20 different things and it all got somewhat unclear. What's the size of a standard banana, how many calories are in a bunch of kale, how many leafs are in a standard bunch vs. what I put in?

I use fatsecret's phone app. It'll give you size options for produce like bananas, and many things have an option for a cup fraction, an ounce or 100 grams, etc. I pick the higher count if I'm on the fence.

[mattsb84]

Rubbish

Firstly, don't know what to tell you, no ****s were given on my end (clearly). You replied sounding like it wasn't possible/too difficult to track calories(ie laaaaaazy). You got a reply, perhaps a bit harsh/sarcastic (meh), but it gave you the answer you were looking for. If in doubt...google it. btw...I don't think you're an idiot/imbecile...lazy? yes!

Secondly, none of what you said makes it difficult to calculate caloric intake. It makes it tedious. If you don't like tedium, eat food with fewer ingredients.

Thirdly, i gave the initial advice you quoted. You're welcome!

[No_Pressure]

Firstly, don't know what to tell you, no ****s were given on my end (clearly). You replied sounding like it wasn't possible/too difficult to track calories(ie laaaaaazy). You got a reply, perhaps a bit harsh/sarcastic (meh), but it gave you the answer you were looking for. If in doubt...google it. btw...I don't think you're an idiot/imbecile...lazy? yes!

Secondly, none of what you said makes it difficult to calculate caloric intake. It makes it tedious. If you don't like tedium, eat food with fewer ingredients.

Thirdly, i gave the initial advice you quoted. You're welcome!

I think you're one of those people who can't see how other people would perceive them as *******s, but they do. I've never blocked a poster on these forums because I honestly don't have anybody I've ever felt was worth so little time that I don't even want to read anything they're saying. Congratulations, you have the dubious distinction of being the only person who is abrasive enough of a sarcastic dick to a stranger who is asking for advice for something with which they are unaccustomed and unfamiliar that you are now the sole member of their blocked poster list. Here's some advice to you, since you must have plenty of knowledge about fitness and nutrition, and I'm sure you've spent a good portion of your life worrying about how you look: work on your interpersonal skills before you try to give someone advice, because you're a dick, buddy.

So have at it, I'm not going to read anything you say anyway since you're now on the ignore list. Tell me what a lazy piece of **** you think I am because I harmlessly mentioned that I didn't feel like counting every ****ing calorie. I wasn't even complaining that I had to do it or that it was impossibly difficult. When I wrote that I was 5 minutes away from going to work that day and didn't have time to figure out the caloric count. I didn't ask for your opinion or advice on that but you decided to do it anyway. I guess I'm so ****ing lazy I decided to go to work. What an ass.

[big#44]

Intermittent fasting can work, but Berkhan's claims of it's superiority I don't buy. I look at IF as more of a convenience for those with busy schedules. The best thing that's come out of it is peoples realization you don't need to eat every 2-3 hours like some would like you to believe.

Perfect response. It's more of diet schedule then a diet and it's not really superior to just counting your calories and eating however many meals a day you want. And it all comes down to convenience. And your right, it blew the whole "you have to keep eating every few hours or else your metabolism will slow down" malarkey right out of the water.

I've read contradictory things- that if you fast then your body thinks there is scarcity and starts hoarding fat and calories. Same idea behind eating breakfast- get your body going and burning fuel after its long, natural overnight fast.

I remember reading a study somewhere that showed that you would have to fast for 2 or 3 days before it had a significant effect on metabolism. The whole "starvation mode" as it pertains to dieting is mostly a myth.

Ok I'm a classic dumbbell and barbell guy at heart, but i've tried out and gotten into alternative programs like insanity and P90X and just really tried to broaden my pallet and try different things just to focus on being more well rounded and athletic I guess you'd say. These last few weeks I've really been focusing on body weight moves. A lot of pull ups and push ups. I'm way behind the curve but the last few days I've been reading about suspension trainers. TRX, Rip60, etc. Now I dont know if I'm ready to go full bore money wise for those systems, id probably just get these http://www.amazon.com/SKLZ-Power-Str...8&keywords=trx.

Anyone have any experience with this style of training in a gym, home or otherwise? I really like the portability of it, and it seems like you can hit a lot of muscle groups using it.

Just wanted to update on this post. I received the very straps I posted as a birthday present. After working out with it a few days I am very impressed. My focus recently has been on body weight exercises like I stated before, but I would suggest anyone who's into resistance training give these a shot. I came away just as sore as I would have been had I used a barbell and dumbbells and in some instances I'm sore in muscles that usually dont get sore. For <$50 I'm struggling to find a more useful piece of workout equipment.

[grego]

matt, you came off a little harsh. that doesnt mean you intended to, but i can see how NP took it that way. hell, you might have been trying to be funny sometimes tone gets lost in message board translation.

[mattsb84]

matt, you came off a little harsh. that doesnt mean you intended to, but i can see how NP took it that way. hell, you might have been trying to be funny sometimes tone gets lost in message board translation.

Yeah, I dont know. He asked for input on his vomit drink diet, and lucky for him, I responded. And responded with actual useful information that could help him and many other posters get a baseline start in changing their diets for the better!

However, lets not be presumptuous. There's always the chance that I'm wrong. Always. And perhaps we'll be reading about the Vomit Drink Diet as the next fad diet in a few months when NP comes back swol and rubs it in my face for doubting his brilliance. But he wont be able to read my apology/congratulatory speech unless someone acts as my proxy. The horrors!

[Special K]

I haven't had time to run through this thread, but anyone currently viewing tried CrossFit before? I'm doing it 2-3 days a week on top of my regular cardio workout 3 days a week. I absolutely love it and am seeing results after a fairly short time of being in this.

I know this isn't about working out, though a lot of this thread discusses diet since it goes hand in hand with exercise...let me know what you guys think about this:

A few days ago, looking to lose a few pounds (I've never been fat but I put on 10 pounds this past year and it wasn't muscle) and break a number of habits (too large portions, not enough greens, etc.). I was talking with a friend of mine about it, and how whenever I try to give up a certain food I always go straight back to it after a day. He mentioned drinking juice.

Now I know all about those fad crash diet/fasts with juice, but he was talking about supplementing a diet with a very green juice. I had a juicer already (I love making fresh orange juice and other mixed fruit juice concoctions) and I decided to give what he was talking about a try.

For the past few days I've done this:

1. For breakfast I've had a pint of what I'm calling "vomit juice" since it tastes like vomit. It's a mixture of mostly kale, cucumbers, celery, carrots, zucchini, broccoli, ginger, and half a lemon (since my friend told me, a lemon was necessary to offset the awful taste- YEAH RIGHT.)

Along with that I've either had an English Muffin, a rice cake with peanutbutter or jelly on it, or a Banana.

2. For lunch I have a 2nd pint of the grossness juice and I eat a decent share of nuts (sunflower seeds, raw redskin peanuts, pistachios, cashews, macadamia, and almonds)

3. For dinner I have a true meal, just in smaller portions than I used to. Last night, for example, I had some marinated chicken breast along with asparagus and a small amount of mashed potatoes.

After dinner each evening I have a small dessert- last night I had a brownie, the night before I had a "fun sized" (nothing fun about it) snickers, and before that I had a scoop of ice cream.

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I've been at this since Saturday, and I've been keeping track of my progress. I've lost 4 pounds, and have seen reductions in the size of my gut, chest, and thigh. I do not expect weight loss to continue at this pace.

-After a 2 day adjustment period, I don't really feel all that hungry during the day.

-Contrary to what I was worried about, I do not feel tired during the day, in fact, I feel just as if not more energetic than usual.

-I am exercising lightly right now, I go for a 45 minute walk around the neighborhood each night, stretch every day, and do some simple push ups and sit ups on Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

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To anyone with experience:

Does this sound healthy and sustainable to you? I've cut out dairy entirely (aside from that small bit of ice cream), mainly cut out bread aside from at breakfast. I'm making sure I get veggies, some bread, fruit, and protein every day, and I'm supplementing that with this disgusting (though I'm growing much more tolerant of it) juice.

I didn't want to do a liquid diet because that's basically starvation and you don't change your habits. I'm looking at this juice as a supplement to ease myself into more healthy eating habits and to get myself used to eating smaller portions. Oh, and of course I drink lots of water and don't drink soda but I haven't had soda on a regular basis in years. I had to cut out beer which makes me a sad panda.

Personally I think it's great and want to use this as a springboard to working out more and getting back into century-ride shape for the upcoming cycling season. If anyone has done something like this however I'd like to know if it's a bad idea or if there are a number of major pitfalls and mistakes I'm making.

I think that "juicing" with veggies and fruits is sustainable (although, if you're calling it "vomit juice," you might want to add a few fruits or something to make it taste a bit better ) I'm not for juicing for every meal and personally, think it should be used for a snack or breakfast only, but what you described doesn't sound harmful. At your size, you might need to add a few more healthy calories in there, particularly when your activity level increases

[Elessar78]

We got a top line juicer for xmas last year. My mother in law is a natural food nut. Anyway, we liked the juice. My wife makes delicious juice from it, even the stuff that would sound nasty like kale tasted pretty good. It's all in the recipe IMO. It doesn't have to be something you choke down. Anyway, so we liked it and we still couldn't stay with it long-term. There's the prep time and clean up time. There's the cost of all these vegetables and fruits—it's a considerable tax onto your food bill.

[No_Pressure]

We got a top line juicer for xmas last year. My mother in law is a natural food nut. Anyway, we liked the juice. My wife makes delicious juice from it, even the stuff that would sound nasty like kale tasted pretty good. It's all in the recipe IMO. It doesn't have to be something you choke down. Anyway, so we liked it and we still couldn't stay with it long-term. There's the prep time and clean up time. There's the cost of all these vegetables and fruits—it's a considerable tax onto your food bill.

I made some OJ using blood oranges the other day, it was pretty good. I'm glad you enjoyed the kale, since it's the thing I dislike the most. There is a lot to be said of the correct recipe. I've tried 3 of them so far and they're getting better. I don't want to add a billion fruits though and get it too sugary. For now it's a simple matter of pouring 1 glass of juice, 1 glass of water, pinching my nostrils shut and downing both of them one after the other. I don't even taste it when I do it that way. As I was advised originally I've increased my general caloric intake healthily. Most dinners consist of fish, something green, a non-green veggie (like eggplant or carrots) and a small dessert (typically 1 cookie).

Pistachios, sunflower seeds, macadamia nuts, and maybe the odd sandwich and cup of yogurt here or there and I've lost at a steady but not alarmingly fast rate. It isn't good to lose weight at multiple pounds per week I hear, but I'm well on pace to be rid of the extra 10 pounds by the next couple of weeks. Then I can continue my healthier habits and start increasing the exercise.

[Elessar78]

I made some OJ using blood oranges the other day, it was pretty good. I'm glad you enjoyed the kale, since it's the thing I dislike the most. There is a lot to be said of the correct recipe. I've tried 3 of them so far and they're getting better. I don't want to add a billion fruits though and get it too sugary. For now it's a simple matter of pouring 1 glass of juice, 1 glass of water, pinching my nostrils shut and downing both of them one after the other. I don't even taste it when I do it that way. As I was advised originally I've increased my general caloric intake healthily. Most dinners consist of fish, something green, a non-green veggie (like eggplant or carrots) and a small dessert (typically 1 cookie).

Pistachios, sunflower seeds, macadamia nuts, and maybe the odd sandwich and cup of yogurt here or there and I've lost at a steady but not alarmingly fast rate. It isn't good to lose weight at multiple pounds per week I hear, but I'm well on pace to be rid of the extra 10 pounds by the next couple of weeks. Then I can continue my healthier habits and start increasing the exercise.

Nice job on the weight loss! I'll try to wrangle some "recipes" out of my wife to share. I know we got a book.

Sometimes the juice had an odd flavor, semi-sweet but with a twang. I thought about it like how I would down shots in college. If I could down shots then I could down this stuff. ha ha.

[renaissance]

If you are making veggie juice, adding 1-2 green apples to the mix makes a world of difference.

I bought a juicer a few months back and was using every day for a couple weeks, but lost track because cleanup every time was such a *****. I've used it sparingly since then, but would like to get back in the habit.