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    Default AOL.com: Jay Cutler Is in Redskins' Wheelhouse

    Got this from Bubba, thought it was a VERY interesting read

    http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/04/01/j...ns-wheelhouse/

    Jay Cutler is out in Denver. There are no if's, and's, etc., about that. The only debate is where he'll end up, and frankly, it's a pretty intriguing debate.

    Word on the street is that the Redskins are, right now, the "leading candidate" to land Cutler in a trade with the Broncos. Of course, they won't be the only team attempting to make a play for the young gunslinger. The Lions, Buccaneers and Jets are also directly in the picture for the Broncos. But the Redskins, despite what many fans will say, are a very nice fit for Cutler. Kind of.

    This is true for several reasons. First off, Jason Campbell is, at times, an excellent quarterback. But is he a franchise quarterback? No, he is not. Mister Irrelevant broke down the differences between Cutler and Campbell today, but decided to "take out counting stats." I understand the logic behind that (oftentimes, counting stats are a byproduct of a certain situation) but when you're talking NFL quarterbacks, you simply don't throw passing yards and touchdowns thrown out the window when comparing quarterbacks.

    So, with all due respect to the Mottrams, while the statistics can be slightly skewed to make Campbell look like a true peer of Cutler, it's really not that close. Using some of Football Outsiders' statistics (which are highly beneficial, whether you want to think football stats can be smart or not), it becomes increasingly obvious. Cutler's DVOA (value per play) sat at 22 percent last year. Campbell checked in at 8.3 percent; -- not even close, especially when Cutler's three-year increase shows more growth than Campbell. Likewise, Cutler races past Campbell in DYOA (essentially value measured in yardage) for 2008, doubling up Campbell 1382 to 656 last season.

    However, a trade to the Redskins obviously wouldn't be QB-for-QB; it would almost certainly involve the Redskins' 13th overall pick and Campbell.

    Which would mean the 'Skins upgrade at quarterback, but theoretically downgrade at either offensive or defensive line (assuming that whoever they draft in the first round doesn't somehow manage to achieve negative value for the team).

    But waxing statistically about the differences for Washington in the trade, while logical, doesn't exactly vibe with the way that Dan Snyder runs his team. Instead, what does make sense with Snyder at the helm is that the 'Skins manage to believe they're getting Cutler's old coach, Mike Shanahan, after next season. That, and the immediate "flair-upgrade" for Snyder by bringing Cutler into the fold as Washington's quarterback of the future.

    So, yes, "wheelhouse" is the perfect word, regardless if Cutler's the perfect fit or the deal even makes sense. And that's precisely why Snyder will make sure he outbids whoever else is involved in the chase for Cutler and bring the former Vanderbilt star to Washington.
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    Bump for a good read

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    Cutler for Campbell, straight up? Great! Cutler for Campbell and the number 13 overall pick is crap. I hope Snyder will for once realize that the rest of the league views him as a big-money chump and strikes a fair deal to land Cutler if he feels that is what he must do.

    Please, for the love of god, may it be something like Cutler and (hopefully) the Broncos' 2nd rounder (#48) or at least their 3rd rounder (#79, giving the Skins consecutive picks in the 3rd) for JC and their 1st rounder (#13). Anything less is pointless for the Skins as the teams' other holes will creep up on Cutler, making his aquision over JC pointless.
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    Default Re: AOL.com: Jay Cutler Is in Redskins' Wheelhouse

    Now here's a guy who actually seems like he knows what he's talking about.

    I'm still undecided on the matter. We'll see I guess.

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    Default Re: AOL.com: Jay Cutler Is in Redskins' Wheelhouse

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyndorf25 View Post



    Cutler for Campbell, ok. Cutler for Campbell and the number 13 overall pick is crap. I hope Snyder will for once realize that the rest of the league views him as a big-money chump and strikes a fair deal to land Cutler if he feels that is what he must do.

    Please, for the love of god, may it be something like Cutler and (hopefully) the Broncos' 2nd rounder (#48) or at least their 3rd rounder (#79, giving the Skins consecutive picks in the 3rd) for JC and their 1st rounder (#13). Anything less is pointless for the Skins as the teams' other holes will creep up on Cutler, making his aquision over JC pointless.
    This is why we have a salary cap.....in which the Dan Snyder your referring to does not break the rules. View him as an owner who wants to win and realize us Redskins fans should be happy with an owner like him. Would you rather have the Eagles owner who was quoted by saying he doesn't want to spend any money and if they win the superbowl it's just a bonus. Be happy we don't have an owner like that. We are following the rules of the salary cap according to NFL rules. Jay Cutler fills a HUGE gap in our team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STBonecrusher21 View Post
    Now here's a guy who actually seems like he knows what he's talking about.

    I'm still undecided on the matter. We'll see I guess.
    Its tough. The Redskins have other needs. But then you consider other teams willing to give up a lot who arguably have more needs like the Lions. If the Jets and Bucs would give up about the same for Cutler, and we are about on par with those teams in terms of needs, then why shouldn't we consider it? A need at QB is >>>>> than any other need. Especially if you aren't sold on your current HC and you can bring back the coach who was the mentor for the QB you bring in. But how successful will they be?

    Its a lot to take in.

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    Default Re: AOL.com: Jay Cutler Is in Redskins' Wheelhouse

    I'm not sure what the deal (if one will ever exist), but a fair trade would be Cutler, their 2nd round and a 2nd day pick for Campbell, our 1st and a 2nd day swap.

    Doubt anything so elegant is in the works, though.

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    Default Re: AOL.com: Jay Cutler Is in Redskins' Wheelhouse

    Quote Originally Posted by Wyndorf25 View Post



    Cutler for Campbell, straight up? Great! Cutler for Campbell and the number 13 overall pick is crap. I hope Snyder will for once realize that the rest of the league views him as a big-money chump and strikes a fair deal to land Cutler if he feels that is what he must do.

    Please, for the love of god, may it be something like Cutler and (hopefully) the Broncos' 2nd rounder (#48) or at least their 3rd rounder (#79, giving the Skins consecutive picks in the 3rd) for JC and their 1st rounder (#13). Anything less is pointless for the Skins as the teams' other holes will creep up on Cutler, making his aquision over JC pointless.
    I could certainly live with any of those scenarios. If we had our full stable of picks this year, I think a lot more people on here would be more optimistic about this, but we really can't afford to lose picks when we have so many needs. But if we could get a 3rd or 2nd back it would be the best of both worlds. I doubt that will get it done though.

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    Default Re: AOL.com: Jay Cutler Is in Redskins' Wheelhouse

    Damaging article if you are a jock-sniffer. j/k But this is a good one to put in the "haters" arsenal.

    Happens to ring pretty true I think.

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    Default Re: AOL.com: Jay Cutler Is in Redskins' Wheelhouse

    Quote Originally Posted by Snagletooth View Post
    Damaging article if you are a jock-sniffer. j/k But this is a good one to put in the "haters" arsenal.

    Happens to ring pretty true I think.
    Its really hard to argue points made by the writer.

    The only downside of a Cutler trade IMO is how much the Redskins would have to give up.

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    Default Re: AOL.com: Jay Cutler Is in Redskins' Wheelhouse

    Quote Originally Posted by IbleedBnG83 View Post
    The only downside of a Cutler trade IMO is how much the Redskins would have to give up.
    That's my entire conflict on the matter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IbleedBnG83 View Post
    Its tough. The Redskins have other needs. But then you consider other teams willing to give up a lot who arguably have more needs like the Lions. If the Jets and Bucs would give up about the same for Cutler, and we are about on par with those teams in terms of needs, then why shouldn't we consider it? A need at QB is >>>>> than any other need. Especially if you aren't sold on your current HC and you can bring back the coach who was the mentor for the QB you bring in. But how successful will they be?

    Its a lot to take in.
    Great post. And you're spot on-this whole situation is a whole heck of a lot to absorb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IbleedBnG83 View Post
    Bump for a good read
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    using FO as any proof is hysterical, their convoluted formulas are a joke, and highly questionable. They ignore important details, and use estimated results as parameters

    basically manipulating their own results

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba9497 View Post
    hardly


    using FO as any proof is hysterical, their convoluted formulas are a joke, and highly questionable. They ignore important details, and use estimated results as parameters

    basically manipulating their own results
    Didn't you use to tote a quote from FO in your sig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubstix View Post
    ....Jay Cutler fills a HUGE gap in our team.
    I suppose we just disagree here. I will concede that Cutler is a more talented QB than JC, but the talent gap between those two is not as great as what the Skins might be able to get in the 1st 3 rounds of the draft to shore up existing holes such as RT and OLB.

    Granted, the draft holds no guarantees but there is intrinsic value in draft propects due to youth and perceived talent as evaluated by scouting profesionals. Lets face it, Jansen or Heyer starting at RT is NOT a good option at this point, regardless of who lines up under center. Even if the Skins bring back Washington on the cheap the OLB position will still be unsettled and under-optimized without and infusion of talent there (unless Blades shows he can make that transition). Plus, I still think the defense could use a legit DE to maximize the addition of AH.
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