TIME: Maybe an Asteroid Didn't Kill the Dinosaurs

[Zguy28]

So how do you explain Adam and Eve's eating of fruit prior to the Fall if there was no death in the world? Seems at the very least plants were dying, doesn't it?

Yeah, you're gonna have to come with us sir.

[LaxBuddy21]

"Darwinian evolution is a fact." That has never been observed, much less proven. It should never, ever be taught as a fact. Only a unproven theory.

Do you want me to sit you down in a science lab and show you evolution over a couple of weeks? I can show you natural selection. You just have to do it in an organism that has a fast enough life cycle for you to see the change take effect phenotypically such as bacteria. You cannot observe human evolution because of the generation time for humans. The facts come from analyzing human DNA from thousands of years ago and using SNP analysis to look at the evolutionary changes that occurred throughout the human migration from Africa throughout the rest of the world.

[Predicto]

Do you want me to sit you down in a science lab and show you evolution over a couple of weeks? I can show you natural selection. You just have to do it in an organism that has a fast enough life cycle for you to see the change take effect phenotypically such as bacteria. You cannot observe human evolution because of the generation time for humans. The facts come from analyzing human DNA from thousands of years ago and using SNP analysis to look at the evolutionary changes that occurred throughout the human migration from Africa throughout the rest of the world.

Don't waste your time.

He's about to start talking about "kinds" and quoting Kent Hovind.

[Cheers, Beers and Mountaineers]

These threads are always good for a good laugh.

[alexey]

ps - is it really time again for the Tailgate Official Quarterly SF51 Beatdown and Laff Riot? How time flies.

A little while ago he used to come get it every several weeks...

The funny part is that he really has no idea how science actually gets taught in schools.

The sad part is that he is home schooling his children.

[Predicto]

A little while ago he used to come get it every several weeks...

The funny part is that he really has no idea how science actually gets taught in schools.

The sad part is that he is home schooling his children.

Well, I'm sure they have all the state capitols memorized. That seems to be very important to home schoolers that I know.

[boofMcboof]

Do you want me to sit you down in a science lab and show you evolution over a couple of weeks? I can show you natural selection. You just have to do it in an organism that has a fast enough life cycle for you to see the change take effect phenotypically such as bacteria. You cannot observe human evolution because of the generation time for humans. The facts come from analyzing human DNA from thousands of years ago and using SNP analysis to look at the evolutionary changes that occurred throughout the human migration from Africa throughout the rest of the world.

Reminds of an article I've read not too long ago where researchers documented the E. Coli bacteria, after thousands of generations, evolving the ability to digest citrate in a controlled lab. The inability to digest citrate is, supposedly, one of the defining characteristics of the E. Coli bacteria.

[Zguy28]

Well, I'm sure they have all the state capitols memorized. That seems to be very important to home schoolers that I know.

Hey now.

[PokerPacker]

is it already time for another hit-and-run SF51 thread?

[jpillian]

Yeah, you're gonna have to come with us sir.

I'm going to have to turn in my Young Earth Creationist card now, aren't I?

And for the record, I am one of those whack jobs that does believe in Creation and Young Earth. On many issues I chose to believe a traditional, literal reading of the Bible over what is either observable or reproducible in the natural world. I'm fine with that.

[PeterMP]

So how do you explain Adam and Eve's eating of fruit prior to the Fall if there was no death in the world? Seems at the very least plants were dying, doesn't it?

Well, technically eating fruit doesn't cause death. The plant that produced the fruit is still alive and transporting the fruit causes the seeds to be dispersed.

Veggies are a different matter.

[jpillian]

The sad part is that he is home schooling his children.

I fail to see what's so sad about it, at least certainly on this point.

His kids will have a different view on the creation of the world. Doesn't seem like such a belief will be all that nefarious to themselves or others. If their (and my) belief turns out to be wrong, what harm will that cause?

[RVAbrendan]

I don't know why people are getting their panties in a bunch about being taught as fact. I don't know any teachers who say it's fact; we even learned about creationism in class...public school.

Everything was taught as theory, and I'm pretty sure most curriculum follow that model.

I still think it's the best possible solution though.

[Predicto]

Hey now.

Sorry. It was a cheap shot (sorta).

Memorizing dates and names and lists does seem to be a large part of the homeschool approach to learning, in general, but I have met some very sharp people who were homeschooled, so....

[alexey]

I fail to see what's so sad about it, at least certainly on this point.

His kids will have a different view on the creation of the world. Doesn't seem like such a belief will be all that nefarious to themselves or others. If their (and my) belief turns out to be wrong, what harm will that cause?

Beliefs have a direct effect on the way brain processes information and on the mental model of the world.

Some beliefs may limit the mental potential of a person... sort of like people limiting their mental capacity by making a choice not to percieve or deal with nuances of situations.

Yes in the grand scheme of things the harm would be negligible, but it may make a huge difference in terms of limiting individual potential.