Counterfeit Gamers

[xavmit]

great thread.

[Travdaskin]

Thanks Mark for the thread, I am one of those new hobby type of guys lol, I wouldn't have bought this though, like you said the sleeves are the first give-a-way IMO, anytime I am looking at something like this, can I let you know about it???

[Mark The Homer]

Certainly.

[vicrodjr]

CSI here you come Mark. I always like the info that you provide once you decide if the jersey is fake or ligit!! Damn you are good!!!

[xavmit]

Greetings.

I think it's time we start keeping track of the counterfeit and fraudulent game jerseys and those who sell them. I suggest we list them in this thread. We have been seeing more and more of them over the past year, and it would be nice to keep tabs on them so when we see them pop up repeatedly, we can identify them.

This one is a so-called 2007 Laron Landry game jersey currently listed on eBay. The seller claims he bought it from the team in 2008 and paid over $1,000 for it. He wants $800 for it. What a deal.

Ebay seller: remembering-21


Obvious problems:

The 2008 Collector's Sale did not include 2007 jerseys. I know because I was there.

There is no mention of the thermopatch which is applied by the team and is included on all of Landry's game worn jerseys. Example (taken from an actual Landry gamer):


It's a size 46. Landry wears only a size 44 on game day as clearly shown on the site.

The stitching around the patch is sloppy and overlaps the gold ring on the top and the corner. Neither Ripon nor the Redskins tailor does work like this.


The above patch is meant for a white jersey and is incorrect (interestingly, these all-burgundy patches are used on burgundy retail authentics for some odd reason, but never on a burgundy game jersey). The 75th anni patch on a burgundy game jersey will always look like this with no exceptions:


The sleeve on this fraudulent jersey includes a white stripe which wraps completely around the arm. This is proof that the jersey was manufactured between 2002 and 2005. The burgundy jerseys with this sleeve style manufactured after 2005 have a white stripe that wraps only half way around the arm with one wider solid gold stripe running underneath the arm as this example shows:


It appears the year-and-size tag has been removed to perpetuate the fraud. If it was intact and correct, it would look like this:


This seller is lying, plain and simple. He did not buy this jersey as shown from the team, unless he bought it as a 2005 jersey with no name on back for $50, which is what many of the unpopular jerseys sold for during the Jan 2008 sale. He or somebody has altered this jersey - adding the LANDRY nameplate and 75th anni patch - and this seller is being deliberately misleading in hopes of cheating a prospective buyer. Most veteran collectors won't fall for this, but chances are some Redskins fan who is new to this hobby is going to get cheated by this guy.

In addition, a look at his feedback shows us this 2003 Arrington jersey which he sold:


Obvious problem:

No GSS patch.

Some additional points:

remembering has recently changed his ebay user id. It used to be remembering21 with a 138 feedback rating. He is now remembering-21 with an 8 feedback rating. The former remembering had two nasty negative feedbacks prior to the name switch.

I suspect he got the Landry from the guy in Wisconsin who was also selling the game cut pro bowl jerseys. He had either 2 or 3 of these Landry jerseys. I got one myself. I suspect remembering added the patch. My Landry is labeled 04-46 and, indeed, the reason he removed the neck tag is that it would not be consistent with the patch (07 year). The jersey probably cost him around $300.

[skinfan2k]

Mark,

I want to get this

http://cgi.ebay.com/Thrash-Washingto...3%3A1|294%3A50

legit?

[skinfan31]

Mark,

I want to get this

http://cgi.ebay.com/Thrash-Washingto...3%3A1|294%3A50

legit?

thats funny. I've been watching that one too, but too afraid to pull the trigger!

[disturbed1]

MAN..... before I buy my next jersey (which I believe are all fake now) I am contacting you first. You are amazing....

[Yeen80]

That Thrash jersey is legit. If you can swallow the price tag, go for it. It's real

[Mark The Homer]

I agree with Yeen. It sure looks legit.

Whether it was actually worn in a game is another question. Thrash was active all 16 games in '04, so that's good.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1859

I prefer a jersey that has obvious team repairs. They're much cooler because you know for sure it was on the field and you might even find a photo match some day if you're lucky. The seller doesn't mention team repairs. Still, there might be some on there.

Anyways - $300 - wtf, that's the price of a crap retail authentic. You can't lose. Nice starter jersey. I'd buy it.

[MLSKINS]

Man theese are real nice observations.

[skinfan31]

here are a few others that look legit:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=120416522257

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=120416523233

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=120416524338

[Mark The Homer]

Looks like somebody picked up the Thrash...

[xavmit]

In addition, a look at his feedback shows us this 2003 Arrington jersey which he sold:



Obvious problems:

No GSS patch.

Jersey is not customized at the hem as Lavar had his actual 2003 game jersey customized (note the missing jock tag):



photo credit: www.josportsco.com[/QUOTE]


Also, the burgundy Arrington has skill position sleeves while the white one has lineman sleeves.

[Mark The Homer]

I noticed that Xav. But looking at the pics of Arrington in 2003 using gettyimages.com, shows Arrington wore both types of jerseys.