JaMarcus Russell: Is it him or the team?

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

calvin johnson was, but at least they didn't ruin his career like so many others.

Oh yeah, forgot about Megatron. But still, I don't remember anyone hating on the Raiders picking Russell.

[stickyshooZ]

I dont know... I think "accuracy" is generally considered an important tool for a quarterback.

I meant physical tools. Strong arm, in particular.

[DCranon21]

Oh yeah, forgot about Megatron. But still, I don't remember anyone hating on the Raiders picking Russell.

No one did. We were all fooled that he could be a NFL QB(including me). He had Dwayne Bowe and Davis to throw to. That Sugar Bowl vs ND was a smoke screen.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

No one did. We were all fooled that he could be a NFL QB(including me). He had Dwayne Bowe and Davis to throw to. That Sugar Bowl vs ND was a smoke screen.

What happened to Davis? I was just looking at a recap of the 1st round of that draft (2007) and noticed he went in the first to the Chargers. He has done NOTHING.

[DCranon21]

What happened to Davis? I was just looking at a recap of the 1st round of that draft (2007) and noticed he went in the first to the Chargers. He has done NOTHING.

From the looks of it, can't get on the field. That's a shame, because he was good at LSU.

[Heisenberg]

Not to get off topic here, but JC and JR ARE comparable....All the power in the world, but no accuracy. They both suck. I'd take JC over him though because JC isnt 300lbs of fat and laziness. You guys keep living in your homer worlds with the burgundy colored lenses....the Broncos are looking like geniuses now taking Orton over Campbell.

Not to stay off topic but comparing their accuracy is ridiculous. Say what you want about his accuracy but Campbell completes close to 65% of his throws - Russell couldn't do that in his wildest dreams.

[Mooka]

That's not true. On the 2nd day of the draft Mayock and company on the NFL Network basically apologized for ripping the Raiders for that pick. Apparently they found out that a couple of teams were looking at Mike Mitchell as a late 2nd rounder/early 3rd rounder.

Really? That's crazy! I haven't seen him do much besides on special teams, so can't really comment there.

Looks like the guy can lay some wood though.

Bey was a bad pick no doubt. He was a projected mid to late-1st round pick but what really made that such a bad pick was taking him over Crabtree.

Louis Murphy is a friggin gamer. Guy has amazing coordination running full speed which allows him to pull in those bullet Russell passes.

Bey, drops em way too much. Not enough hands to make an impact in that offense.

[Spartacus87]

Bey was a bad pick no doubt. He was a projected mid to late-1st round pick but what really made that such a bad pick was taking him over Crabtree.

Haha, yeah, or so they said at the time.

Bey might not be a good NFL receiver, and might especially suck in the Raiders offense with Russell throwing the ball, but at least he's on the field trying.

I have a strong feeling that if Crabtree didn't want to play for the 49ers and a slightly smaller contract, he wouldn't have played for the Raiders.

In fact, I remember when the Raiders selected Bey, the cameras immediately went to Crabtree (because it was the upset pick of Bey over Crabtree, and they were expecting to get his disgusted reaction shot) and instead, you saw him literally breathing a sigh of relief.

[C26 Run]

The entire organization from top to bottom. Their HC is about to get arrested.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

And keep in mind that Orton not only has Brandon Marshall, but he also has one of the best pass blocking lines in the NFL, plus a surprisingly decent running game and strong defense to back him up. Considering that the only thing really seperating these two are the INTs, I wouldn't go as far to say that they look like "geniuses" for taking Orton.

The Broncos are 4-0. Enough said. If JC were their QB, they would be in the same boat we are in - the super close nail-biter games because the QB cant put the ball in the endzone. Orton actually puts away ****ty teams, whereas JC likes to keep them in the game.

Not to stay off topic but comparing their accuracy is ridiculous. Say what you want about his accuracy but Campbell completes close to 65% of his throws - Russell couldn't do that in his wildest dreams.

Well yeah, of course he's going to complete 65% of his passes when they are right along the line of scrimmage. He is horrible on the deep ball. Last week's TD pass to Moss was an aberration. Look at all his misses...its frustrating to no end.

Washington Redskins:

Total points - 56
QB Rating - 84.9
PPG -14

Denver Broncos:

Total Points - 79
QB Rating - 97.7
PPG - 19.9

Denver has played - Bengals, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys
Washington has played - Giants, Rams, Lions, Buccaneers

[Enter Apotheosis]

The Broncos are 4-0. Enough said. If JC were their QB, they would be in the same boat we are in - the super close nail-biter games because the QB cant put the ball in the endzone. Orton actually puts away ****ty teams, whereas JC likes to keep them in the game.

Are you kidding? If not, you have no clue what you're talking about here...

The Broncos are 4-0 because their defense only gives up a league-leading 6.5 points a game. That is ridiculous. We're tied for fourth in the league and we give up 15.5 per game.

Kyle Orton and Jason Campbell are just different flavors of suck. Orton completes a low percentage of his passes despite having a more proven receiving corps and the support of the NFL's fourth best rushing attack. He does not throw a lot of TDs but he does not throw a lot of interceptions either. Campbell completes a high percentage of his passes but has very poor ball security in the pocket and has begun to force passes because, lets face it, our running game simply isn't dependable and he bares too much of the burden for moving the chains. Over time I would expect their TD:INT ratios to level a bit as they have been very similar in that regard in the past. It's also worth noting that JC has lost 11 fumbles in 40 starts while Orton has lost 10 fumbles in 34 starts.

Orton would fare no better than 2-2 in DC and JC would probably be 4-0 if paired with Correll Buckhalter and the Denver D.

Denver has played - Bengals, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys
Washington has played - Giants, Rams, Lions, Buccaneers

Denver has played two of the worst teams in the league and two mediocre teams (one of whom they only beat on a fluke play). The Skins have played a very good team and three of the worst teams in the league. The level of competition really isn't that far apart.

[DCranon21]

It's sad when this thread has gone from JaMarcus Russell to JC.

But back on topic, have you seen JR's stats. And now, they lost McFadden for 2-4 weeks.

http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0025388

[Heisenberg]

The Broncos are 4-0. Enough said. If JC were their QB, they would be in the same boat we are in - the super close nail-biter games because the QB cant put the ball in the endzone. Orton actually puts away ****ty teams, whereas JC likes to keep them in the game.



Well yeah, of course he's going to complete 65% of his passes when they are right along the line of scrimmage. He is horrible on the deep ball. Last week's TD pass to Moss was an aberration. Look at all his misses...its frustrating to no end.

That wasn't what I was referring to. Your comparison between Russell and Campbell was laughable at best - Campbell has at least proven he can be a mediocre QB in the NFL - if nothing else. Russell has people wondering if that year at LSU was just a fluke at this point - he's God awful and will probably be doing something else for a living in a few years.

Also, if you think all Campbell has been completing this year are short passes - then I'm sorry but you haven't watched the games very closely. If you were talking about last year you might have a better point but someone posted the stats in a few of the threads in the Stadium and waht you said simply isn't true.

Back to the topic - Russell is one of the worst QB's I've ever seen in the NFL - he makes even a simple screen pass look extremely difficult, and he can't even scramble because of how fat he's become.

[Warhead36]

Watching Campbell play QB makes me fall asleep.

Watching Russell play QB makes me want to gouge my eyes out and put a bullet through my head.

[Heisenberg]

Watching Campbell play QB makes me fall asleep.

Watching Russell play QB makes me want to gouge my eyes out and put a bullet through my head.

LOL much better way of putting it than I did.