1- jesus was not black, he was a jew, he may have been very short and semitic but that doesnt make him black.
2- jesus was obviously from a well off family, he was educated and was initially well spoken of as he came from the house of david (jewish kings).
3-he was born in a manger BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ROOM AT THE INN. not because they couldnt afford it.
4-He travelled with a very large entourage and never wanted for food, in the one proverb a disciple asks a question about food and jesus responds that its taken care of.
5-early on before the miracles Jesus had respect, guys dont just go into the temple and tear ass without consequences unless they have some pull.
6-very few people got tombs in that area.
7-there are many writings and such about jesus but the most important ones we will never see because we dont have access to the vault in the vatican.
this doesnt mean I think we should make wealth a huge priority but it does mean I think jesus was well off.
Am I wrong here, or is this just yet another lame attempt at class-warfare? So, god hates poor people? Is that the point here? Hello, agenda!
" Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys.”
”And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men (money and possessions) is detestable in the sight of God.”
" No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other You cannot serve God and wealth."
Even in todays age:
You make people believe you can heal the blind, show that you can walk on water, show people that you can feed a crowd with a loaf of bread. People ALSO think your the son of God?
You get all kinds of money, people line up to either help you or profit from you being there.
He could have had some money but no chance he was rich, he would have given it away here and there along the way...
Atheist disclaimer: but it seems that if he was who everyone says he was for the last 2000 years: Why bother to even ask such a stupid question. He is God, Son of God or the combination of both: He made the Universe, do you really think there would ever be a "want" without it just being.
Timothy 6:8-10 (money)
8“And having food and raiment (clothes) let us be therewith content.
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
Luke 6:20, 24
20”And turning His gaze toward His disciples, He (JESUS) began to say,
"Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.
24 "But woe to you who are rich, for you are receiving your comfort in full.”
Second I don't think Jesus gave up all worldly possession. John the baptist was more of the "leave the world behind type". The wild man of Bethlehem was trying to bring the Jews back to time off the exodous. So he was probably *** naked outside Jesus window telling him to come one and get baptised. Jesus got baptised, but he didn't join his cousin in the desert though. In short Jesus was trying to reform the Jewish people. If you say that Jesus was against the Roman oppression, so he tried to undermine the Roman ideals, I will agree with you. But to say he was a man of piety (sp), i would disagree. Jesus was feeding people at the sermon on the mount, watched Joseph fishing and didn't want any fish, breaking bread and serving wine to 13 disciples including that chump Judas. Plus that "turning water into wine" trick had to be a hit. Shoot I wish somebody would turn my coffee into wine every day. I would pay good money for that.
"All I know is how to play football."
Some folks claim a link between the Prosperity Gospel and the housing bubble ...
At some point the message shifted from the merits of hard work and sacrifice to ... "God blessed me with my first house despite my credit"
Mark 10: 20-25
20 And he said to Him, "Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up."
21 Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
22 But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property.
23 And Jesus, looking around, said to His disciples, “How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!"
24 The disciples were amazed at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!
25"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
I think a lot of people are afraid of what the Bible says, so they like to tinker with Its meaning. Always read it with an open mind and don't swallow what other people say.
On a personal note; I do not believe that poverty is in any way beneficial. How can you help the poor, if you yourself are poor?
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