On most things...yes. Denominations, actually usually differ on a very few points of interpretation, and in many cases strong arguments can be made for both interpretations. I being a Wesleyan/Arminian differ greatly with my Calvinist brothers and sisters, however even while I believe that they are misunderstanding certain things, I do admit that they can and often times do make a strong case, just as they do regarding the Wesleyan/Arminian tradition.Are they all correct?
God educated...no...the incarnate (God in flesh) human person of Jesus who became human...and lived as we live? Yes. I guess it comes down to the question did Jesus have to be potty trained? IMO, suggesting that Jesus was fully aware from the time of His birth crosses an VERY important line in the fully God/fully Human nature of Christ.Do we really believe Earthly schools were required to make God educated?
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So, what is your background that equips you for the task of Biblical translation and interpretation?
BTW, Polywog, how did you even learn about Christianity, the Bible without the Christian community?
Asbury and Polywog, I think you're both partially wrong. Scripture can and should be studied and read individually, but also we should not forsake or think of ourselves so highly that we think the Holy Spirit has not illuminated other Christians in our community (and in the church catholic) with correct interpretations that will benefit us.
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All other religions are about "doing." Christianity is about what's already done. - Mark Dever
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Hebrews 10:24-25 And let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good deeds, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly; teach and admonish one another in all wisdom; and with gratitude in your hearts sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs to God.
1 Timothy 1:2-3 To Timothy, my loyal child in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. 3 I urge you, as I did when I was on my way to Macedonia, to remain in Ephesus so that you may instruct certain people not to teach any different doctrine,
1 Timothy 4:10-11 For to this end we toil and struggle, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. 11 These are the things you must insist on and teach.
2 Timothy 2:1-2 You then, my child, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus; 2 and what you have heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will be able to teach others as well.
Titus 2:1 But as for you, teach what is consistent with sound doctrine.
1 Timothy 5:4 If a widow has children or grandchildren, they should first learn their religious duty to their own family and make some repayment to their parents; for this is pleasing in God's sight.
For anyone actually interested in the question posed by the article (was Jesus rich?), I'd suggest actually reading the article, then comparing the credentials (and possible conflict of interest) of the guy saying he was, and the scholars (at least one of whom I've heard of and know to be highly qualified and respected) saying he wasn't.
As to the Prosperity Gospel itself, I hate (yes, hate) it for two reasons:
1) Although many of the rank and file (and even some leaders, probably) are sincere, the fact remains that many higher-ups in this movement push it because promising people they'll be rich and happy and fulfilled draws people in and gets them contributing, which in turn fills the coffers of their church or other organization, and of course, they have to be wealthy to show off the blessings of God. That mansion and Rolls are necessary to the ministry.
This can be seen in the ridiculous leaps of logic taken to make the historical Jesus, a day laborer in dirt poor Roman occupied Paelstine, into a wealthy man, because they need him to be so. Jesus historians, of course, laugh at the idea of his being wealthy, though some of his followers definitely were.
Joseph of Arimithea, for instance, was wealthy, and provided the tomb. This is an argument for Jesus' poverty, not his wealth, since if he or his family had money, he wouldn't have needed the donation.
2) Read in context and as a whole, it is imminently clear that God does not promise that this life is supposed to be sunshine and roses. "Take up your cross and follow me" may not be as fun as "The Lord wants a Porsche, and he wants me to drive it for him", but it is far more consistent with both the whole of Scripture and the historical reality of the Christian faith, which is that until Constantine, it was the faith of the destitute and oppressed.
Just look at the lives of the apostles. Paul, for instance, was a Roman citizen, but he hardly lived a life of luxury. Heck, the early church was a commune.
The reason this is so dangerous, though, is that the "prosperity gospel" tells people they'll be rich and successful if they just have enough faith.
What happens when they aren't? Faith can be destroyed by this false message.
How is the "prosperity gospel" any gospel at all to the billions in abject poverty in this world, in underdeveloped nations?
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