Facebook Page Prompts School Officials To Suspend Student, Issue Detention To Others

[MrSilverMaC]

IMO this will not hold up if challenged. Schools have no jurisdiction outside of school property & activities. Obviously freedom of speech is not something the school "officials" understand or believe in.

That's what I was thinking.

[Destino]

An odd counter position, the school (a government institution) is like a job (a voluntary arrangement of free peoples)

Your boss doesn’t force you to come to work against your will, it is a voluntary relationship.

Ones boss firing someone for exercising their freedom of speech doesn’t interfere with it because one only has the right not to be punished for what they say by the government.

So you think members of the armed forces can call out their commanding officer on face book? What about judges? Would you recommend slamming a judge personally while involved in a trial in his court? All government institutions in which there are punishments for not showing up.

I stand by what I said. Suspension my foot, I'd throw the little bastard out and tell the parents that it wouldn't have happened had they taught the little failure about respect.

[twist]

Schools are not all government institutions and free speech does not equate to freedom from consequence. If you walk into a court room you are not free to call the judge names. Court is without question in ALL CASES a government institution. Student/teacher relationship is one of authority. Teachers have authority over their students. That relationship can not exist if teachers are subjected to public humiliation without recourse.

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So you think members of the armed forces can call out their commanding officer on face book? What about judges? Would you recommend slamming a judge personally while involved in a trial in his court? All government institutions in which there are punishments for not showing up.

I stand by what I said. Suspension my foot, I'd throw the little bastard out and tell the parents that it wouldn't have happened had they taught the little failure about respect.

I am allowed to call the judge names on face book in the privacy of my own home though.

I think I called many a supreme court justice an idiot this week and no fines...

Your point would be stronger if the offence happened at school… Hence the Juristiction issue.

[Park City Skins]

You think calling your boss names on facebook will get you fired? Perhaps we should teach kids how the world works instead of raising spoiled brats that can't show the smallest amount of respect.

And hopefully,maybe we can teach them not to paint with such a broad brush. Oh. And about the firing thing. One of the more.....interesting developments with the growth of social networking has been just that.

[MrSilverMaC]

I stand by what I said. Suspension my foot, I'd throw the little bastard out and tell the parents that it wouldn't have happened had they taught the little failure about respect.

So at what point does the schools jurisdiction end? Or do they get free reign in every part of a kids life?

[Destino]

So at what point does the schools jurisdiction end? Or do they get free reign in every part of a kids life?

Kids respect their teachers and other authority figures while attending the school those people are involved in operating. If they don't they find another school. I really don't think simple respect is asking a lot. In fact I'd argue that it is the absolute bare minimum one could expect from a CHILD.

You know how people talk all the time about how American schools are falling behind? Believe it or not the fact that teachers are viewed as a joke by their students plays a major role. Take it from someone that has seen what schools are like elsewhere, what you have here is a circus.

[Park City Skins]

Let's be specific here. Kids need to SHOW respect,not necessarily HAVE it,(well. For the position anyway). It would be nice if they all did HAVE respect,but they don't I'm sure. So at least they should show it. Talking bad about teachers is nothing new,they're just in a much more public arena these days when using the internet. We used to talk about teachers in both and good ways all the time. Just made a point to do so in a place where the teacher couldn't hear it.

This is an interesting case never the less. On one side,it can be argued that these kids are doing nothing more than many of my classmates and I did. Talk about the teacher at recess,on break,at lunch,or better yet,at home. Yours or a friends. Only it's being done on the internet. And there in lies another side of the issue. It's a highly visible area to be saying things. And some of the wrong things said could be taken very seriously and could come back to bite the teacher in the ass pretty fast.

[Kosher Ham]

The girl was suspended not expelled.

If a parent had a facebook page slamming the teacher, they would probably be sued.

I think the school is within their bounds to address and deal with this.

Thing is what teacher was looking up the kids on facebook to begin with ?

[MissU28]

The girl was suspended not expelled.

If a parent had a facebook page slamming the teacher, they would probably be sued.

I think the school is within their bounds to address and deal with this.

Thing is what teacher was looking up the kids on facebook to begin with ?

Teacher probably heard about it. Things like that get around. Kids are very candid.

Also, if this was a girl's facebook page, she was probably on it calling her teacher a slut or something. I don't think it was just "Ms. Johnson's a *****" kind of page.

If there was a page out there with one of my students talking **** about me, damn right the kid needs to be suspended/expelled. That can hurt my career for years to come. Kid needs to be made an example of.

[Henry]

If the kid libeled one of the teachers, well, that's illegal. It would be no different than a kid TPing a teacher's yard. And yes, I think the school in such a case has the right to step in.

The kid's rights end where the teacher's property (in this case, the teacher's reputation) begins.

[PokerPacker]

great message to send children. Want to disrespect adults and teachers? GO RIGHT AHEAD! Humiliate the people publicly, so long as you don't do it on school grounds you're cool. Nevermind that the teachers are people too with families and pride. No no who cares... better to let kids do whatever they want.

Kids shouldn't command any respect at all. They are children that exist entirely because someone else is taking the time to help them. They owe society the utmost respect until at the very least they can pull their own weight.

I've always been a proponent of free speech. suspending kids for expressing themselves off of school property is simply unacceptable. Its bad enough what the schools do to freedom on school property, but now its expanding into what they do in their own home and that is completely unacceptable.

[Henry]

I've always been a proponent of free speech. suspending kids for expressing themselves off of school property is simply unacceptable. Its bad enough what the schools do to freedom on school property, but now its expanding into what they do in their own home and that is completely unacceptable.

Your rights end where my rights begin. Free speech does not give a student the right to libel a teacher, school property or no.

[twist]

Your rights end where my rights begin. Free speech does not give a student the right to libel a teacher, school property or no.

Liable is a charge that a court decides not one a school administrator can hand down.

Also a lot of other people were punished for simply joining the group when they hadn't necessarily said anything.

Theres no way to charge someone with being a fan of someone committing liable.

[sacase]

If the kid libeled one of the teachers, well, that's illegal. It would be no different than a kid TPing a teacher's yard. And yes, I think the school in such a case has the right to step in.

The kid's rights end where the teacher's property (in this case, the teacher's reputation) begins.

The school systems reach has been ever increasing, they are stepping far outside their bounds, in fact they are now in the area that belongs to the court system. We talk about rights, where was due process for the student? The schools need to be smacked back and made to realize that they are only responible for students on school grounds or at school spnsored events, that's it.

If the kid actualy did committ a illegal act (not one that the school says is illegal), then that needs to be decided by the court system, not some pathetic school administrator.

People like to complain about the school system, a large part of the reason they are so bad is we have pathetic excuses for teachers along with an even worse teachers union.

[mardi gras skin]

Your boss doesn’t force you to come to work against your will, it is a voluntary relationship.

Ones boss firing someone for exercising their freedom of speech doesn’t interfere with it because one only has the right not to be punished for what they say by the government.

Punishment? If the child is in school against his will and he is expelled, hasn't a mutually desired arrangement been reached?