We don't need A QB in this draft- we need 3 or 4 QB's

[ArmchairRedskin]

People are killing me with this value pick. As many insiders has pointed out, most qb's that are drafted in the fourth round are drafted there for a reason. The kid is a backup period that will not be flipped for anything more than a sixth or seventh round pick. Cousins will not garnish a first, second, third, or even for that matter a fourth round draft pick and before anyone mention Cassel understand the man that drafted him only chased him because there were no options in Kc and by the way Matt was throwing to Moss and Welker in N.E that produced the 10 and 6 season. Teams that pick a qb in the fourth round is because it is a luxury.These teams are established winners and have a stout team. The Redskins are not stout by far at all position and definitely not a team that is constantly winning. The Skins gave up a ton for one qb only to waste another pick on one when cb, dt, lb, and s are very weak in depth. I am sorry just a bad move and a real Gm would not allowed this move to happen. You do not see the Giants making moves like this. Sorry.

You've overvaluing the 4th round pick for the other positions and undervaluing it for the QB position. That's really the bottom line. Only the QB moves the Vegas line more than one point if the starter is down. We have plenty of depth at other positions and I got news for you, a fourth rounder isn't likely to be a starter or even be a multi-year contributor. Look over the list of 4th round players we've had in the last 20 years. Only ONE guy has started and contributed more than one year. LL tweeted that yesterday. Since you're not asking the QB to come in very often, he'll be sticking around for sure which gives us a cheap way to carry a backup instead of constantly paying Grossman 1 million a year or giving another vet a multi-year contract.

Also the round a guy is drafted in has nothing to do with how much you get in return. Its all about how he performs in the chances he has. Look at Matt Schaub. Texans swapped firsts with ATL and then gave ATL two succeeding second rounders. Schaub was drafted in the third.

[Mister Happy]

I'm so glad you aren't running my team.

Seriously?

nope. Not serious.

while sarcastic, I think it does a decent job of summing up the basic arguments against the Cousins pick.

We've been struggling to find a franchise QB for at least 20 years, and we just got 2 of the top 3 QBs (according to Shanahan) in a QB-rich draft.

Hard to complain about that, in my book, regardless of how you feel about Cousins.

[Major Harris]

zoony, how many should we draft in 2013?

[Epochalypse]

nope. Not serious.

while sarcastic, I think it does a decent job of summing up the basic arguments against the Cousins pick.

We've been struggling to find a franchise QB for at least 20 years, and we just got 2 of the top 3 QBs (according to Shanahan) in a QB-rich draft.

Hard to complain about that, in my book, regardless of how you feel about Cousins.

Missed the sarcasm.

Well played my friend, well played

[Stophovr6]

NM/

I don't know how many starters you get in the fourth round but I don't have a problem with addressing backup qb. He could also net us some pick in four years if he turns out to be good and a qb starved team needs him. Then we can draft some more qbs. I honestly don't have a problem with us drafting one QB every year in rounds 4 through 7.

[Roger.Staubach]

I don't see how or why so many of you can defend the pick. The fact is that RGIII is a rookie and he will get the vast majority of the snaps. Add to that the fact that your coaches will likely want an experienced #2 dressed to help the team and you will see that Cousins will get so few snaps that he will not develop as a QB in the NFL without an injury to RGIII (which nobody wants).

I can understand making the pick two or three years from now when RGIII has absorbed most of the playbook. What I can't understand is why you would draft both of them in the same year. I actually feel sorry for Cousins. Outside of Indy, there was not a worse spot for him to land.

[Roger.Staubach]

Apologies.

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[roanoker]

I don't see how or why so many of you can defend the pick. The fact is that RGIII is a rookie and he will get the vast majority of the snaps. Add to that the fact that your coaches will likely want an experienced #2 dressed to help the team and you will see that Cousins will get so few snaps that he will not develop as a QB in the NFL without an injury to RGIII (which nobody wants).

I can understand making the pick two or three years from now when RGIII has absorbed most of the playbook. What I can't understand is why you would draft both of them in the same year. I actually feel sorry for Cousins. Outside of Indy, there was not a worse spot for him to land.

Lol - Sorry you can't understand Roger the Doger.

I can understand why Dallass would select a back up to Grossman in Chicago and a two time starter in Denver to be replaced by Tebow to back up Rambo. Dallass thinks, Orton will save the day for Dallass in Nov-Dec. HTTR.

[Bang]

Didn't Dallas grab Aikman and Walsh in the same draft, or did he play a year elsewhere?

Chances are the backup QB will be needed along the line.
This is why I am getting a kick out of folks using this term "luxury pick"..
You know what a luxury is? A backup QB that can play. Especially if you're in a playoff run. That is as luxurious as it gets.

Look over playoff teams and their backup situation.
Some of them are dead in the water if the starter is down. the Lions, everyone's darling these days,, Shaun Hill waddles in if their previously fragile first overall wonderboy goes down. The Falcons drop from Matt Ryan to Chris Redman.
Imagine if Eli Manning missed two or three games and David Carr had to play. Do they make the playoffs?

the Raiders were 6-2, I believe, when Campbell went down, and not only did they tank the rest of the way, they spent an outrageous amount to grab a recycled has been. (Granted, McFadden being hurt probably had more to do with their falter than Campbell.)

Cousins potentially addresses the reasonably likely injury, and at the very least doesn't put us in a situation where we do something as stupid as the raiders appear to have done.
Besides, the usual crop of "veteran backups" consist of mutts like Redman, David Carr, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, Bruce gradkowski, Chad Henne, Luke McCown, etc. etc.
Does anyone really want to argue any of them are better than a 4th round rookie?

~Bang

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Didn't Dallas grab Aikman and Walsh in the same draft, or did he play a year elsewhere?

Jimmy took Walsh with th #1 pick in the supplemental draft, but that was an early power play on his part.

And let's never forget one simple fact: Zoony is completely insane when it comes to front office moves. He wanted to trade the entire roster three years ago for 32 sixth round picks.

[Skins3000]

You've overvaluing the 4th round pick for the other positions and undervaluing it for the QB position. That's really the bottom line. Only the QB moves the Vegas line more than one point if the starter is down. We have plenty of depth at other positions and I got news for you, a fourth rounder isn't likely to be a starter or even be a multi-year contributor. Look over the list of 4th round players we've had in the last 20 years. Only ONE guy has started and contributed more than one year. LL tweeted that yesterday. Since you're not asking the QB to come in very often, he'll be sticking around for sure which gives us a cheap way to carry a backup instead of constantly paying Grossman 1 million a year or giving another vet a multi-year contract.

Also the round a guy is drafted in has nothing to do with how much you get in return. Its all about how he performs in the chances he has. Look at Matt Schaub. Texans swapped firsts with ATL and then gave ATL two succeeding second rounders. Schaub was drafted in the third.

You mentioned the Skins not having luck at the 4th round pick but Shanny has had success in picking pro bowlers with that 4th round pick and so has the league for that matter. I totally disagree with you on depth when it comes to the Skins. The question becomes does the team have quality depth or just average players. The Schaubs of the NFl are rare and far in between in the Nfl. Schaub was also fortunate to be playing behind an injury prone starter and I hope that is not the message this team is sending to RG3. I would want a proven commodity instead of worrying about being dirt cheap for a backup qb that happens to be a rookie that has been reduced to 5% of the snaps in practice and never seen the side of an NFl defense ala speed of the game and disguised defenses. At the end of the day Cousins is a Redskin, fine. Does not mean simply because the Redskins drafted Cousins that it was a solid pick because of value seen in eyes of one beholder. One treasure could be someone elses trash.

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I don't see how or why so many of you can defend the pick. The fact is that RGIII is a rookie and he will get the vast majority of the snaps. Add to that the fact that your coaches will likely want an experienced #2 dressed to help the team and you will see that Cousins will get so few snaps that he will not develop as a QB in the NFL without an injury to RGIII (which nobody wants).

I can understand making the pick two or three years from now when RGIII has absorbed most of the playbook. What I can't understand is why you would draft both of them in the same year. I actually feel sorry for Cousins. Outside of Indy, there was not a worse spot for him to land.

Boy if there was a like button on this post I would give this one two thumbs up.

[Bang]

Y I would want a proven commodity....[COLOR="Gold"]

Like who?
Who are these veteran backups that traipse around the league lending their experienced steady hand?
Dan Orlovsky.. Kyle boller.. Chris Redmond.. David Carr.. Luke or josh McCown.. JP Losman.. Matt Leinart.. Bruce Gradkowski.. Rex Grossman .. John Beck .. AJ Feeley .. Brady Quinn .. Sage rosenfels .. Tyler thigpen.. Kerry Collins .. Mark Brunell .. Charlie Whitehurst .. Shaun Hill .. Seneca Wallace .. .
These are the veteran backups that have moved around the league in the last few years... and coming soon to a failure near you,, Colt McCoy, Chad Henne, Jimmy Clausen, Jason Campbell II, Curtis Painter, ... yeesh
Most of them have proven one thing. You don't want them coming in to win a few games if your starter goes down. They're either washed up or they never had it to begin with.
Can you honestly say you'd want any of them over a ham sandwich, much less a highly graded rookie?


Quality veteran backup quarterbacks are not available. Quality backups often become starters elsewhere, usually at inflated prices.


Besides, we have one of them, Rex has a year to be a veteran influence with knowledge of the playbook for both of them.

~Bang

[MattFancy]

There were only 14 starting QB who played all 16 games last year. You need to have a reliable back up QB. We saw what Rex can do, would anyone here want to go through that again?

[Skins3000]

Like who?
Who are these veteran backups that traipse around the league lending their experienced steady hand?
Dan Orlovsky.. Kyle boller.. Chris Redmond.. David Carr.. Luke or josh McCown.. JP Losman.. Matt Leinart.. Bruce Gradkowski.. Rex Grossman .. John Beck .. AJ Feeley .. Brady Quinn .. Sage rosenfels .. Tyler thigpen.. Kerry Collins .. Mark Brunell .. Charlie Whitehurst .. Shaun Hill .. Seneca Wallace .. .
These are the veteran backups that have moved around the league in the last few years... and coming soon to a failure near you,, Colt McCoy, Chad Henne, Jimmy Clausen, Jason Campbell II, Curtis Painter, ... yeesh
Most of them have proven one thing. You don't want them coming in to win a few games if your starter goes down. They're either washed up or they never had it to begin with.
Can you honestly say you'd want any of them over a ham sandwich, much less a highly graded rookie?


Quality veteran backup quarterbacks are not available. Quality backups often become starters elsewhere, usually at inflated prices.


Besides, we have one of them, Rex has a year to be a veteran influence with knowledge of the playbook for both of them.

~Bang

I did not see Dennis Dixon or Vince Young on that list but if you go team by team name a team that has a backup qb that could be a starter on another NFL team??????? That list will be interesting. Point being there is no such thing as a solid back up in the NFL or that qb would not be a back up. Back up qb's are nothing but stop gaps and that is all a team wants out of that qb. Shanny wanted impact players on the field so I guess using a 4th round quality pick on a backup QB is solid. By the way, I thought Shanny had a high grade on Beck when Beck came out of college? Correct me if I am wrong. So this high grade on Cousins could be disastrous also.

[zoony]

zoony, how many should we draft in 2013?

At least one